question about strains and origins

[GWYNGELLI]

i thought salvia was unigue to the mezatec indians in mexico. so what is the deal about the hawaian strains? does it have a long history of use there among the natives, or is it a relatively recent discovery there, or was it brought there by humans and developed to different strains?

[penumbra]

Hawaiian strains? I know that Luna was discovered under an Hoffmann Wasson plant in Hawaii but i didnt think there were any other Hawaiian strains.
Link?

[GWYNGELLI]

i guess i am speaking specifically about the luna strain. did it show up wild there?

[penumbra]

this article elaborates on the emergence of the luna strain. It has inspired me to take cuttings from the branches that are currently emrging from the root crowns of a few of my plants. Interesting stuff...
http://www.sagewisdom.org/salvf.html
notice that the picture of the luna strain used in this article is the same as the photo to the right of the salviasource logo at the top of this page

[Jupe]

good idea Punumbra!!!.......Luna may be a polyploid.....it certainly is not as competitive as others though, at least for me, grows slower, but denser and deeper colored leaves and flowers. Its the only salvia strain which looks different, all the others I've seen, tend to grow up and mature into a "similar" looking plant, even though when they are young they show ALL sorts of different shaped leaves and grow forms.....

 Heres some from a year or so ago,

Naming of strains is pretty loose....but since they are so few new plants, I think we make exceptions to normal botanical rules.

[skagardener]

wow i see a few sd plants in that pic, looks like you got a nice garden going on. beautiful color. sorry for going off subject

[penumbra]

i have a bona fide jupe luna....sort of.
it has yet to root
HWs are doing fine though. i now have a hoffmann wasson, cerro quemado, julieta, blosser, and maaaaayyybe a luna. wow. and they all look the same except for the luna.

[Jupe]

well....I'm the master of Off Topics.....no worries.....

heres a Luna hiding in some H and W's, a little bit up from dead center right....

These are early summer, 2-4ft...later on plants overgrew Luna, I had forgotten about them, and I dug them up and put them into a pot.

ps all my pics are free to the public, (duh)...so copy them if you like them.....


pps Penumbra.....serrates on Lunas edge are good ID, as is roundness of leaves.  good luck with them. It may be that soil rooting with humidity chamber works better than water.  I have some that broke that I have to deal with., in water now, no roots yet either.



 My"other" new strains also look similar to theri cousins.  I'm trying to grow MORE Lunas, I think they can be disguised easier. I tried to pollinate them individually this year, but no luck, although they had the best flowers of all my plants.

Second picture shows  Luna with my fingers on cutting stem, held next to Hydrangea, a VERY common gardening plant.

[penumbra]

Ha. yes, im growing my salvia next to a hydrangea and always note the similarities.
i think im going to jam that luna cutting into a gallon pot and pray.
did you see my pie poll, jupe?
http://www.salviasource.org/forum/general-talk/salvia-pie/0/

[GWYNGELLI]

beautifull plants jupe. penumbra, i tried to click on the link and could not go there. so guys, tell me about luna's emergence in hawaii. wild? or introduced there?

[JDogHerman]

Is there any movement to start documenting the differences between different stains?

Maybe a knowledge sticky or wiki.

[penumbra]

Luna appeared beneath a "Bunnel" strain S. divinorum in a Hawaiian botanical garden. Luna had existed no where else in the world before appearing in Hawaii but Salvia divinorum is only native to a fairly small region of cloud forest in and around Oaxaca, Mexico. I guess you could call Luna a Hawaiian strain because it originates in Hawaii, but S. divinorum is certainly not a Hawaiian plant.

[GWYNGELLI]

thanks penumbra. now i am straight about this subject.