ego loss

[socali]

Some people experience what they refer to as ego loss while on salvia.  What exactly does this type of sensation entail?  Is it like a powerful out of body experience or is there more to it than that?

[Arcygenical]

This is a very hard question to answer, as there are almost limitless answers to your question. Our ego is just as unique as our fingerprint, every individual with a different one, which will react differently under certain circumstances.

Think of your ego as your sense of logic, reason, and self... It has an incredible attachment to your physical form, as without this physical form, it ceases to exist. Losing your ego is, quite possibly, one of the most difficult things for a person to experience... As your ego is so incredibly dominant over every aspect of our lives (seldom do we allow the needs of our other mentalities to surface over the needs of the ego). Additionally the ego serves a protective function as it literally shields our unconscious minds from the vast amount of hidden energy, truth and information available in the universe, an amount with the potential to damage our physical form or mental wellbeing (Consider, the rush of energy and information one experiences on DMT, how drastic, frightening, and scarring such an experience can be).

The dissolution of the ego is, naturally, a scary thing to behold, as our anchor to the physical world is quite literally cast aside. As the ego allows us to believe in our own individuality as human beings, it's removal is a shearing event, forcing our minds to deal with their innate existence, rather than a physical existence. The loss of ego is the loss of physical self, and a loss of the reality that we've learned to accept, and tried hard to accept. I will say it again, it's often very frightening.

There is definitely something to an ego loss experience. Very few people have had an absolute ego shattering experience, but it's definitely something that's made me a better person.

[guitarplayer]

Alright cool, I've always heard the term ego loss in descriptions of salvia but I didn't even realize exactly what it meant, and I hadn't put that together with my trip from the other post at all. I completely agree with what you said though, that experience was far from my most enjoyable salvia trip while it was happening, but it has been the most profound and thought provoking one for me so far.

[Gorlax]

Ego loss is best described as mind fuck, usually associated with Shrooms where as the trip is so intense and visual that when someone comes down they are in a state of mind fuck, or in better terms you are so into the trip that when you come back to your senses your usual enviroment may seem strange or different. I never really see this with salvia unless with extremely high doses, for some reason it doesn't mind fuck because of how short the experiences are, its like touching the elixir of life then pulling back. Unlike Shrooms you trip 6 hours and then your just normal, the transition is so abrupt and fast that it fucks with your head and you can't associate things with which they really are. -- Now don't go and dump all your shit down the toilet, this should only be so for a few hours after a trip. Very few I mean like 1 in a billion  seem to never lose this feeling and this is when you develope something a million times worse, schizophrenia and other physcological disorders. All in all know what your doing, put some good tunes on, know you got the right stuff, and just enjoy.

[bohmars]

Ego loss is best described as mind fuck, usually associated with Shrooms where as the trip is so intense and visual that when someone comes down they are in a state of mind fuck, or in better terms you are so into the trip that when you come back to your senses your usual enviroment may seem strange or different. I never really see this with salvia unless with extremely high doses, for some reason it doesn't mind fuck because of how short the experiences are, its like touching the elixir of life then pulling back. Unlike Shrooms you trip 6 hours and then your just normal, the transition is so abrupt and fast that it fucks with your head and you can't associate things with which they really are. -- Now don't go and dump all your shit down the toilet, this should only be so for a few hours after a trip. Very few I mean like 1 in a billion  seem to never lose this feeling and this is when you develope something a million times worse, schizophrenia and other physcological disorders. All in all know what your doing, put some good tunes on, know you got the right stuff, and just enjoy.

Now maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't the ego loss we are discussing here much less severe in that it only occurs during the length of the actual trip? I think what Gorlax is talking about here is something much more severe and long term then the simple disassociation from our reality and consciousness experienced with Salvia- a short term separation from our ego.

[MstryShovel]

Ego loss is best described as mind fuck, usually associated with Shrooms where as the trip is so intense and visual that when someone comes down they are in a state of mind fuck, or in better terms you are so into the trip that when you come back to your senses your usual enviroment may seem strange or different. I never really see this with salvia unless with extremely high doses, for some reason it doesn't mind fuck because of how short the experiences are, its like touching the elixir of life then pulling back. Unlike Shrooms you trip 6 hours and then your just normal, the transition is so abrupt and fast that it fucks with your head and you can't associate things with which they really are. -- Now don't go and dump all your shit down the toilet, this should only be so for a few hours after a trip. Very few I mean like 1 in a billion  seem to never lose this feeling and this is when you develope something a million times worse, schizophrenia and other physcological disorders. All in all know what your doing, put some good tunes on, know you got the right stuff, and just enjoy.

Now maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't the ego loss we are discussing here much less severe in that it only occurs during the length of the actual trip? I think what Gorlax is talking about here is something much more severe and long term then the simple disassociation from our reality and consciousness experienced with Salvia- a short term separation from our ego.

I think its more of the fact that we are taking 2 ideas and discussing them as they are one. This is often the case around here where someone says "oh man this will get me high will I experience ego loss" where this is a very confusing subject because ego means so much to so many different people. Personaly I beleive Arc's explanation to be closer to the actual topic of ego loss. Where as Gorlax's explanation has more to do with reality shattering experiences(while they are both reality shattering). Golax's means i think, that the experiences you have when on a substance are often so beleivable and real, and strange from normal everyday experiences that it carries over into your normal days, and once you experience this alternate reality, its very hard to accept normal reality as the singular "right" or correct universe.

For example a friend of mine was on the subway, and she is doing a book on homeless people talking to them and ect. In her talks with this homeless woman the woman was schizophrenic and would begin talking to people around them that my friend couldn't see. Now the question is "What is reality?" webster says "the quality or state of being real" but what is real, if you and I see an apple, that makes the apple real, right? because we can touch it experience it, it exists. If this woman could experience, touch, talk to, this invisible person does it make that person any less real, simply because we cannot touch it?

Back on topic though, personally i feel that ego is, the state of being, ego is everything in a nutshell that we beleive and experience and feel, ego is our reality, it is us as alive human beings. Ego loss, is the act or state of no longer thinking, you no longer "exist" in your own mind, you just ARE, you become amorphus and pliable. Don Juan in Carlos Castaneda's books says the ego is like an island on which you pile your world, all of your memories, experiences, every object you have encountered, every person you have met is put on this island and to gain knowledge of other places you must clean your island, everything must be in order you must wash things into the ocean. It is also one of the hardest and most complicated thing to do (cleaning the island of your ego)

[Gorlax]

Salvia Mind Fuck is nothingg, probably one of the reasons its still legal in the majority of the states. The only true danger of drugs is the after effects, face it few people die from these drugs but millions go crazzy and kill themselves. Try one of the 3 traditional physcadelics and you will know true mind fuckkk...except mescaline its just got a bad rep its truely a wonderful thing reminds me of salvia and weed together but lasts soooo longgg.

And yes I was thining about serious ego loss, ego loss from salvia isn't really true ego loss because face it salvia is weird, and the experience is so short and so not like any other experiences you can't relate to anything when you trip, you just trip. Other hallucinogens produce very different effects, and you do know whats going on and you do know what you took. I think you put it very well mstryshovel, your explanantion is what I was trying to sayy.. Ego loss during a trip is the trip!

! Of course your going to lose your ego when you ingest a mind altering substance, they wouldnt call it mind altering if it didnt  alter the mind..its just when you continue to feel this effect afterward that you might want to stopp to prevent serious mental problems.

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[socali]

Thanks for the responses.  So is it correct for me to assume that ego loss isn't necesarrily always strong sense of detachment or isolation from one's body, but can rather involve a powerful vision conjured by salvia or other psychedelics?

[hedgehog]

Salvia Mind Fuck is nothingg, probably one of the reasons its still legal in the majority of the states. The only true danger of drugs is the after effects, face it few people die from these drugs but millions go crazzy and kill themselves. Try one of the 3 traditional physcadelics and you will know true mind fuckkk...except mescaline its just got a bad rep its truely a wonderful thing reminds me of salvia and weed together but lasts soooo longgg.

And yes I was thining about serious ego loss, ego loss from salvia isn't really true ego loss because face it salvia is weird, and the experience is so short and so not like any other experiences you can't relate to anything when you trip, you just trip. Other hallucinogens produce very different effects, and you do know whats going on and you do know what you took. I think you put it very well mstryshovel, your explanantion is what I was trying to sayy.. Ego loss during a trip is the trip!

! Of course your going to lose your ego when you ingest a mind altering substance, they wouldnt call it mind altering if it didnt  alter the mind..its just when you continue to feel this effect afterward that you might want to stopp to prevent serious mental problems.

))))

Wow this goes exactly to how subjective the psychedelic experience is.  For me, mescaline put me in one of the worst bad trips I've been on, while I find mushrooms to be the most organic of the 3 classic psychedelics. 

Ego loss is one of the most difficult things a person can come to terms with.  For me it is a doorway that is completely blackened.  The times I've made it through the portal, the other side was filled with great wisdom and truly important self-truths.  It is staring at the door which causes terror for me.  Go with the flow is my advice.

[nickelz34]

I have also experienced ego loss on trips with salvia. Its really freaky almost like you don't exist or this world is not real. I felt  like when i looked around nothing mattered or life was fake. I tend to experience it most of the time with salvia in potency's of 20x and up .But yes the first time it happened was very scary