Intensity vs. time

[JD1stTimer]

First off, I have finally calmed down after completely freaking out.  Smoking that crazy stuff without a sitter was incredibly foolish.  Now to the meat of my post here.

I think I have figured out the correlations between potency, intensity, and duration of journey.  I realized that if I smoke just a tiny amount of the salviazone blue it is just as intense as smoking a large amount of it, but it just cuts the duration.  Here's my idea:  The quicker you ingest your material the shorter your journey will last.  The more concentrated the material, the more intense it is.  So if I take the SalviaZone Yellow, I can smoke a large amount and it won't exceed a certain intnsity no matter how much I smoke.  However, if it takes say 60 seconds to smoke my intended dose(5 seconds for one bowl, hold for 30, 5 seconds for second bowl, hold until you get where you're going) , I will have a 5-8 minute journey at that particular intensity.  If I do the same thing at the higher levels, I will have a 5-8 minute journey at THAT intensity.  So using a smaller amount that I pull down in two seconds plus 25 seconds before I lose voluntary control of my diaphragm, will just get me the hell trip but just for one minute or less, which I just experienced tonight.  In a way I think it was even scarier than being there for a longer time, because I only really felt it as a flashback of terror from the sea of nothingness.  In other words, it just seemed like I pulled the pipe, blinked, and had this vivid memory of my screaming loss of ego.  It made it seem more real and less connected to the fact that I had been smoking.  So if you're using a highly concentrated extract, you can't modulate where you end up by using a smaller amount.  Only the duration.   Has anyone else had this same experience, and if so why did I not find anything written about it?  It could have saved me a lot of torment by knowing that I couldn't just have a level four by smoking a little bit.  If anyone knows more about this, please enlighten me.   Oh BTW, I realize now that my posts did actually get out there to you guys.  For a while I thought maybe everyone who reads these boards had somehow disappeared from the earth, leaving me all alone with my desolation.  I'm just glad my cell phone wasn't on, lest I call someone and scare the shit out of them.

[JD1stTimer]

I think next time I'm going to try shredding my wimpy single dry leaf (It broke off my plant when she took her little tumble) and mix it with a little dose of the powder I've been tripping balls on, maybe with little pinch of tobacco if it's not bulky enough to see if this theory holds up.  I will probably try it tomorrow night.

[Paradoxic]

Yeah, thats usually how it goes with just about any drug. The quicker (more direct) the mode of ingestion the shorter the duration of effects, but also the more intense. Smoking a high potency extract is one of the fastest ways to ingest a drug...injecting is the only faster way.

[JD1stTimer]

Maybe it should be in one of the guides somewhere.. or if it is, more highlighted, because I never noticed it.

[SynapticFlatulence]

as with any psychotropic chemical, moderation is the order of the day..
if you find yourself being freaked out, scared, or otherwise mindfucked its time to seriously reduce the dose 

[JD1stTimer]

LOL, yeah, that's what I was trying to do. I just didn't know I was going about it wrong. 

[Paradoxic]

Maybe it should be in one of the guides somewhere.. or if it is, more highlighted, because I never noticed it.

Yeah thats a good suggestion, thats one place where this site is lacking...we really need more guides that discuss the Salvia experience. I will try to make one at some point, but I'm kinda swamped with projects right now. I encourage anyone who wants to to write guides about the experience.

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, I crumbled that one leaf up, put a bitty pinch in my bowl for a greenscreen, divided the rest between two little piles of the salvia I freaked out on Tuesday night, and they are about the same size as the pinches I hit Tuesday.  It seemed to pretty much double the volume of smoking material, so I loaded one little pile into my pipe.  One big mistake I made Tuesday was loading up the bowl a second time after thinking I didn't really get anything the first time.  Plus the fact that a bizarre event interrupted my meditation and I went ahead even while thinking that my ashtray exploding was probably a bad sign.  This time my incense is in a container specifically designed for that particular brand of incense.  Also I am not going to hoot down a second bowl regardless of how little I think I got the first time.  Strict limit tonight.  I have my front door barricaded with a chair wedged against the knob mostly to keep myself inside.  I am going to put my satellite to Sirius Spa 73 New Age at a low volume, smoke a cigarette to help ground myself and relax, then meditate for thirty minutes before taking this bowl over two or three hits instead of trying to snap it.  By the time I'm ready to take off my best friend will be home from work and I'll have my cell phone already set to dial his number when I hit the green button.  I just have to come back to earth, and if I'm scared just hit the button and he should be there.  Sort of a telesitter.  I'll also have a cigarette rolled to help ground myself when I get back.  I'm also going to say a prayer before lighting up.  If any of you are religious, pray as well.  God protects the foolish right?

[JD1stTimer]

That's the funniest thing in the world.  Wow, I figured out that I can voluntarily end my own life by holding my own breath until I die without using any external devices to do it.  I can just not breathe and I will be able to hold my own breath and remain conscious and in voluntary control of my diaphragm until I'm dead.  I could tell someone to do something or else I will die right now in front of you, and I could actually do it if I willed it.  Is there a name for that in any of the spoken languages understood by anyone on this board?  Okay, I'm back in a fully rational mindset now.  I did end up going for both doses I had prepared because I knew it would be good.  I was a bit apprehensive, but it went really well. I still have a bit of enhanced tactile sensation in my fingers, the keys on the keyboard feel really pleasant, my fingers are a bit tingly.  I was completely happy throughout this experience, so it must be the potency which was just too high before.  I now know that SalviaZone Blue is just too much for me personally.  Does anyone know what x factor it is?  That way I can be sure not to buy or manufacture extracts which are higher than that.

[Arcygenical]

Wow, that salviazone blue is expensive! 84$ a gram!

However, you do realize that it's akin to 50x... correct? Even if you cut it in half, it's still a 25x dose!

[JD1stTimer]

No, I had no idea it was that potent! It is 120mg salvinorin per gram of leaf (Plus whatever the natural content of the leaf is presumably).  I have read that unfortified leaves typically contain around 2.5mg salvinorin per gram...lemme do the math real quick.. yeah, right around 50x.. yowsers no wonder it was such a damn beating.. lol  for some reason I thought of it as being closer to about 30x.... now I'm wondering if the 15x and 20x I ordered today from thebestsalvia.com will be strong enough...

[MstryShovel]

about time trip journey:
my friend in his SD experiences found that every time he went back he was able to focus and maintain his durration there for exactly double the amount of time (relative to him, trips between his conciousness became shorter) also by focus and maintain i mean relax and enjoy, he never held on to anything but just allowed it to "work its magic" so to speak

about the holding your breath thing:
Theoreticaly if you had enough willpower to control your breathing while unconcious you could kill yourself. otherwise simply holding your breath will only make you black out and possibly give you a brain bubble. 


also what happened this time???

[JD1stTimer]

Oh, I saw the Thing again, and it granted me the power to die at will.  So I threatened a maternal figure that I would die right then and there in front of her if she didn't make the sun rise immediately.  I didn't feel bad at all about manipulating her like that, in fact it felt like a natural thing to do.

She thought about how much she loved me, and didn't want to goad me into ending myself, so she pulled a lever, and day broke, with the birds chirping and everything.  It seemed absolutely convincing, as far as I was concerned it was literally an actual tangible event.

Something I'm just now noticing is that for some reason sticks always figure prominently as tools in my visions.  I have seen dogs holding sparklers, children pulling the lever on a la-z-boy chair, a guy beating the ground with a stick, and this maternal lady pulled a lever to make the sun rise.

These have been very distinct, and just now when I thought about everything having a handle I had a flashback to something about being strong enough to pull a handle... I don't recall this before and I don't know on which occasion it was, but I was challenged to pull the handle on some kind of device and I either wasn't strong enough or I forgot how to pull it, causing great amusement in the cosmic realm.  That's when they tell me the funniest joke....  about someone forgetting how to perform a basic life function I think... Argh.  So anyway, everything in life has a handle you have to pull to activate it, and you have to have the strength to pull it, the knowledge of how it works, and finally, and the most difficult part, the will to pull it.

Does anyone else get glimpses of a journey you thought you had forgotten?  I know this post seems like I just came off of a journey, but I'm actually just thinking about my journeys and trying to remember more about them.