salvia and blacking out

[socali]

During one of my salvia experiences, i felt like i was about to black out about a minute or two after smoking.  The feeling was quite uncomfortable and I kind of tried to resist it.  This feeling only lasted for about thirty seconds.  I was wondering if blacking out or a sensation that resembles this is fairly common with salvia.  Has anyone else felt like they were going to black out or actually blacked out?  I haven't experienced hallucinations with salvia yet and am wondering iif I would have experienced any visuals were I to cross this threshold so to speak. 

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

The sensation of "blacking out" isn't usually associated with Salvia unless you have a huge dose and it blasts you into Level 6, in which case that usually results in not remembering what just happened and is a very unpleasant experience. It sounds like you didn't get any of the effects of Salvia. What strength did you smoke and how did you smoke it...ie how long did you hold the hit, did you hold the lighter to the leaf the whole hit, etc... Did you buy your Salvia from a trusted source? I wouldn't try smoking any more in the mean time until you know for sure you actually have Salvia. Not to sound rude, but have you experienced the effects of other psychoactives or marijuana? Let us know and we will try to help you out, but keep in mind that sometimes Salvia just doesn't work very well for some people.

JARG

[socali]

Thanks for the responses.  Blacking out might not be the best way to describe the sensation and I never actually passed out.  I've never actually blacked out so I could be totally off base on what that feels like.  My vision started to go a bit choppy and I felt like I was on the verge of having an intense experience..  This sensation is hard to explain andfor some reason blacking out just came to my mind to describe it.  I know that I got my salvia from a trusted source and I have experienced some of its notable physical effects such as salvia gravity, etc.  And I have experienced the effects of  marijuana. 

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

Hmmm.... that is very strange that you are getting choppy vision. Have you read through the different levels of experience reports on this forum to try and match up what you are experiencing with what others have explained in words. That might shed some light on what you are experiencing and allow you to explain it to us in more detail than just "being on the verge of an intense experience. " My guess at this point is one of two things. Either just that this is what Salvia does to you personally, or there might be some other factor or medical condition in play. And I would not take the latter lightly.

What strength and amount did you smoke?

JARG

[DrYRHead]

Sally's 6 Levels

A felt tip drawing of a Swimmer going for a dive into Sally Maria's realm.

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The 6 levels of Sally D:
The Six Levels of Altered States of Salvia
divinorum.

(SD): S.A.L.V.I.A.;

Level 1; SURREAL/Subtle buzz.

Level 2; AURORAS: Mild visuals. Such as, spirals of buzzyness and colors.

Level 3; LIVELY and strong visuals: This is when the smelves come to visit.

Level 4; VERY strong visuals: At this point a smelf may open up a door, and invites you into his/her world. Usually a place that looks like it is out of an Alex Grey painting. There may be a tunnel with light at the end, too.

Level 5; IDENTITY LOSS/ego loss: At this point, one may become a smelf, or a part of the Alex Grey painting, or the furniture, or the darkness...
At that point, there is a tendency to try to get up and walk around. Though, one may not be able to see where one is going, and one may bump into stuff. Not good! Be sure to have a sitter!

Level 6; AMNESIA: Not good!  One may remember going through the other levels on the way up or down, but the level 6 time is said to be a blank out.

With the quid method it is hard for one to get past level 3, but with smoking the extracts it is possible for one to break through to level 4 and beyond. For a level 4, a sitter is suggested. For a level 5, a sitter is needed. A level 6 is not good, so try not to go there.   
Note; Sitters often describe the look on the face of someone at level 5 or 6 as being like "a scared animal that is stairring into the headlights of an oncoming vehicle."


Sally's Six Source; 

http://www.elfstarstudios.com/sm-realm6.html

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

These 6 levels are the commonly accepted experiences done by the research with Salvia Divinorum and not just DrYRHead's interpretation. They are not relative as each person can reach every level, but the dose required to reach each level may be very different. You should read Daniel Seibert's research website. He has been working with Salvia for over 15 years and is the definitive expert on the herb. He explains the 6 levels on his website here http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html#Section%205. I suggest you read through his website to get a ton of information. Salvia really isn't something you want to be experimenting with without knowing what you are getting into, otherwise it can be very scary.

JARG 

[socali]

I'm not sure what the extract was- I used a brand called salvia zone blue which is supposed to be quite potent.  I have no known medical conditions and I really do not think that my body is reacting negatively to it.  Also, I have read Siebert's guide and know how important it is to be aware of salvia's potential.  The intensity of my salvia experience, while powerful, still seems to pale in comparison to many of the trip reports I have read.  The "choppy vision"part was pretty brief and I recall it being tough to focus on things.  My experience started with a splitting sensation that kept getting stronger and stronger to the point where I felt that it had a great amount of control over me.  Sorry for not describing that eariler and for not being able to be more clear.
To change the subject, the smelves you mention are of great interest to me.  Are they the first visuals that appear to many people or do they tend to show up in the less powerful stages of salvia? And do they really  resemble elves or are they kind of vague?  I'm wondering what about salvia makes so many people see them.  Sorry if these questions seem rather trivial but the salvia elves people mention really do intrigue me and I would love to see them someday!

[Gorlax]

Lack of oxygen? Big Hit?? Don't smoke alot? so many factors.

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

I used a brand called salvia zone blue which is supposed to be quite potent

You should really find out how much Salvanorin A is contained in the stuff you are smoking so you know what to expect. I read a story of someone who wasn't holding the lighter to some strong extract during the whole hit and didn't get many effects of the herb. So next time they loaded up the bowl with more thinking that would do the trick. Well this time they held the lighter to it longer and it blasted them into level 6 when they weren't ready for it and it was a very unpleasant experience. Salvanorin A requires a hot temperature to be released which is why you should hold the lighter to the bowl the whole inhale. I wish I could remember where I read this story so I could quote it for you but if you are smoking really potent extract and aren't sure of the amount of Salvanorin A you could be in for a very unpleasant surprise your next time...

JARG

[socali]

That's a good point.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to determine the extract but I have tried to look that up.  But I'm guessing its about 20x since I know what I smoked is one of the higher levels of the brand.  I realize that  is quite strong.  I'm kind of surprised I haven't gotten any visuals yet seeing as that I've taken several hits during each of my smoking sessions.  Its kind of interesting seeing as that it doesn't take much alochol or marijuana to get me intoxicated.  But I'm sure salvia is unrelated and effects everyone differently- interesting. 

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

You say you bought your salvia from a trusted source, but honestly, if they don't tell you the strength of the extract or how much salvanorin A is in the package, then they aren't being very responsible sellers and I would not buy from them again. You have no idea what you are putting into your body. Purple sticky brand (Who I DON'T recommend) used to mislead people with their packaging and say "AtomiX 20" which leads you to believe it is 20x, when in fact it was 5x extract. At least now I see they specify the extract strength and give you an exact amount of of Salvanorin A which is in the package.

A good source at a decent price I have found is mazatecgarden.com. You should buy some 5x or 7x extract from them and start there.

JARG

[socali]

Good point.  I completely agree that they should inform you about the strength and I had wished they did when I first started.  However, this is the only brand I've been able to find in a store and since I'm still rather young I can't just buy salvia off the internet with my credit card just yet...  By the way, you can find this brand I used on the internet and I've seen a few sites where people who wanted to know the extracts did conversions by means of coverting the mgs and I believe the strenghth of mine was 20x. 
Also, I know this is off the main topic, but if someone could describe the salvia elves in a bit more detail- see my post above, I"d greatly appreciate it.  Thanks. 

[JustAnotherRegularGuy]

Just my 2 cents and my opinion is that you won't see any smelves. You really have to have an open mind and let Sally take you wherever she wants. Don't take DrYRHead's post as the literal sense of what will happen. I believe that DrYRHead's description is more of an artistic interpretation of his experiences. But he will have to verify that... Also there is a reason that you need to be 18 to buy Salvia and if your under that age you shouldn't be smoking it.

JARG

[socali]

I am over 18. 

[Sea Mac]

I'm not sure what the extract was- I used a brand called salvia zone blue which is supposed to be quite potent.  I have no known medical conditions and I really do not think that my body is reacting negatively to it.  Also, I have read Siebert's guide and know how important it is to be aware of salvia's potential.  The intensity of my salvia experience, while powerful, still seems to pale in comparison to many of the trip reports I have read.  The "choppy vision"part was pretty brief and I recall it being tough to focus on things.  My experience started with a splitting sensation that kept getting stronger and stronger to the point where I felt that it had a great amount of control over me.  Sorry for not describing that eariler and for not being able to be more clear.
To change the subject, the smelves you mention are of great interest to me.  Are they the first visuals that appear to many people or do they tend to show up in the less powerful stages of salvia? And do they really  resemble elves or are they kind of vague?  I'm wondering what about salvia makes so many people see them.  Sorry if these questions seem rather trivial but the salvia elves people mention really do intrigue me and I would love to see them someday!

Salvia Zone is quite the reputable dealer. I even got to meet the owner while I was at the Champs LV.

You could be a Salvia hardhead ...