Salvia reports

[JD1stTimer]

I hope this is the right forum on which to post, but anyway, here are my personal trip reports which are already on another message board but I figured this is my new home for Salvia discussion I would do well to put them here.  They are in chronological order, and I'll put each one in a separate post, also with a strange audio recording of a couple of my more intense trips.  Oddly I have been able to speak intelligibly while in the upper levels of intoxication, but there is some silent time between exhaling the smoke and when I am able to control my mouth.  Should I leave the recordings as-is or edit out the silence?  Anyway, here goes.

[JD1stTimer]

From December 10th, 2007.  ---
I recently tried salvia with two friends with me. I was using a bubbler and a regular BIC lighter, and I took .1 gram of 10x. First question: I paid $15 US for .5 gram of 10x. *edit* It was SalviaZone Green.  The guy at the head shop said it was equivalent to 10x */edit* Bad price? Seems not worth it to me. Anyways....

My friends were counting out the 30 seconds as I held the first hit, then during the second count of thirty I laughed and exhaled the smoke, then I laughed for about one minute, almost choking I was laughing so hard. I felt like I was the punchline of the world's funniest joke, then I suddenly visualized a room full of milkmen. One of my friends doesn't speak English natively, and he had no clue when I told him about it. It comes from Monty Python btw. Later that night I tried again and got NO EFFECT. My friend tried .1 grams and he first asked me if I coughed, then he said he heard a mouse squeak, then he asked his wife if she farted, then he said he heard a mousetrap spring and he made a mad dash around the house checking all the traps, but lo and behold, none of them were sprung. That was the end of his trip. The next day I tried .2 grams and I will post that here if anyone wants to read it.

[Arcygenical]

Do you mind if I post between your experiences? I can remove this if you do!

But, you shouldn't be paying any more than 20$/g of 10x salvia. Even that's a bit much.

Interesting trip though 

[JD1stTimer]

Originally posted December 13th, 2007 --

Okay, so the next day I tried the last of it, .2 grams. I loaded .1 gram, hit it with a torch lighter, only got a mild buzz, went to another room (Doh!! Shoulda been more prepared) to load the last .1 gram, lay down on a couch in front of the fire with classical Christmas music playing softly on TV. The last I saw of the real world was the cherry of the salvia *melting into the glass of my bowl, swirling like water in a drain* -wierd- I lay down and watched the fire, and a ladies' voice said "Sirius Pops will return on January 2nd. Now enjoy Classical Christmas". Strange how I remember that line, as I have only put that on this one time. Her voice sounded tinny and robotic, with high-pitched children's laughter in the background. Then I heard my friend whispering my name from another room. I thought he was joking me, but he was actually asleep. His wife was in another room playing "Sims 2", and I thought she was telling one of her sims "Oh, don't you look nice in that dress". I yelled at her to shut up and talking to her sims is crazy. I was really angry because I thought she would ruin my trip. Then I told her to tell them they couldn't have a party right now because they were too loud and they would wake me up at night. Now I am trying to keep my eyes closed, but there is a white rectangle on the TV screen telling the name of the song playing. It feels like that rectangle of light is actually pulling my eyelids apart every time I try to close them. Now it gets good. I'm a baby again, and I can feel my mother wrapping me in a white knit blanket and putting me to bed. I feel very warm and cozy, and her love is radiating through my entire being. I don't want to go to bed because there is more fun to be had. I look out the window, and I watch the way the setting sunlight is going through the holly bush and reflecting of the red globes of the berries. The glossy leaves look like little green boats. I look at the sunlight hitting the northeast corner of the room, and it's very red. I know that it will be dark soon and after a warm and pleasant sleep I will be able to awaken refreshed and the sun will be rising in the southeast again and I will be able to enjoy a completely new day with new activities for a full day of enjoyment. Then I start coming back to my physical surroundings, and there is a wrinkled plastic bag across the room. I think it is aluminum foil crumpled up in the shape of skulls piled up on eachother. It was a bit frightening, and then I got a feeling that something was going to attack my hand. Then I realize it's just in my mind and my hands feel much more comfortable about it.

[JD1stTimer]

Arcygenical, thanks for the info.  I know that this shop charges WAY too much for everything, and one of the guys that works there is a total asshat.  But, the other shop in town only carries Purple Sticky, and I won't buy it because they put lettering on the container that LOOKS like an x value, but REALLY it's the milligrams of salvia, so IMO it's false advertising.  From now on I will either order from here or SalviaZone directly, or make my own once I have a huge pile of leaves.  On to the story.  -- Originally posted December 16th, and from here on out they will be thoughts recorded ASAP after an experience. --
My friends didn't come over Friday, they came yesterday, so I tried it then. It's SalviaZone Yellow. My friend went first, and he thought I was talking to him, but I was only watching him. Then he saw his mother sitting in front of the fireplace, and he saw his house in his old country with a fireplace installed. Where he used to live they have a hole in the roof, and the fire is in a pottery bowl underneath. It was very brief though, and he didn't get completely immersed into it, it was more like just his imagination. When I was going to clean the ashes out of the bubbler, most of the material was still there, and he had gotten it wet! I can't seem to explain to him to only tilt the bubbler TOWARDS him, not away. Anyways, I smoked what was left and felt nothing, then waited a few minutes and loaded up a fresh bowl. Before I even finished the bowl I thought I would throw my pipe across the room, so I put it on the table and lay down on the couch and started laughing. My friend kept asking me why it doesn't work for him, and it really distracted me from what I felt. I was hoping for a certain kind of spiritual/psychological journey, but what I got was sheer fun. I felt a warm tickling up and down my arms, then my fingertips, palms, and arms were made from, or had inside them, little pinwheel fireworks. Then one of the bricks from the fireplace hovered in front of me larger than life, and it was a brick that I looked at a lot when I was a kid. It had a pattern on it that resembled a smiley face. The brick transferred a message similar to "Remember how funny you thought my face was when you were young? It makes me happy that you liked me." I really don't know where to place this one, but I wonder if there was more if my friend hadn't been bugging the crap out of me why it doesn't work so good for him. I might try it without a sitter. I don't think things will get physical. So far I only want to stay on the couch, I don't think I could move if I wanted to.

[JD1stTimer]

-- Originally posted January 9th, 2008 --

This time I used a quid, I don't know how many grams, but it felt huge under my tongue. It was a sample of unfortified leaves and what was in the envelope was all I had available. I never lost touch with reality, but some objects did move, my reminder to take the quid out scared the crap out of me, then I settled into a nice meditative state and I could hear some music that wasn't there, and I was told that I was an avatar of Vishnu and I needed to find my Laxmi, after which She would either help Me attain the full attributes of Vishnu or else I would work to attain them on My own, which would cause Her to become closer to me until either way, We eventually unite. Anyone with more knowledge of Hinduism please help me with this.

[JD1stTimer]

The next three reports will be a lot stranger, and two will have mp3s with them.  I can't post them immediately because I'm late for a NORML meeting.

[JD1stTimer]

This next one has not been posted anywhere else.  I had jumped from SalviaZone Yellow to SalviaZone Purple, and I measure .1 grams on a digital scale.  The smoke shop was out of the red. The usual sign for me that I'm crossing into Salvia space is the feeling of my hands melting into puddles of water starting with the fingertips.  This time I was wearing a hoodie, and I saw the hood disassociate into atomic particles which flew away like a swarm of insects.  I don't actually remember this trip, but I do remember what I thought when I was coming back.  This is the way all subsequent voyages have been on Purple or Blue.  I don't remember it, but I know what happened.   There was a current similar to magnetic current permeating all space and it was named the Shebreeze.  There were particles carried in this current called Tiptons, so named because they are impossible for mechanical instruments to observe, they are elusive like shadows tiptoeing on the breeze.  The tiptons are what makes the difference between living things and non-living things.  Living things generate tiptons from the cellular metabolic process.  They are damaged in some way by UV radiation, which gives rise to sunburns, as they are HIGHLY anti-oxidant.  The Tiptons have a simple intelligence: They want to reproduce themselves, and they are also selfish and don't want the other Tiptons to reproduce themselves, so they transmit a certain mythology to eachother that for some reason keeps them from reproducing.  If they do manage to avoid hearing the myth, and reproduce on their own, the offspring has the same susceptibility to being rendered unable to reproduce.  The only way to produce an offspring with a different (greater or lesser) degree of susceptibility is to combine with another tipton.  But as these tiptons reproduce, the tiptons get better at inventing new stories to trip up their reproductive cycle.  This was all gathered by direct observation of the tiptons.  Then Salvia told me that all living things are operating on the same selfish sort of principle, and that's why religions started... to keep people dissimilar to yourself from having many children, and cause the people more like you to have more children due to a different interpretation or a complete disregard for religious stories.  As soon as I was back in consensus reality, I tried to hurriedly write all this down or record my thoughts but I absolutely couldn't find my recorder and even simple mechanical objects like a pencil completely bewildered me, but somehow later I still knew what happened even though I couldn't actually remember it.  Very strange.

[JD1stTimer]

Oh, more about the Tiptons: it was the total and utter lack of Tiptons in industrially manufactured foods and synthetic vitamins that makes them poor nutrition even if they have decent ingredients.  The life force is gone so to speak.  After that I felt like some malevolent force was trying to keep me from recording my thoughts, lest I tell the world and everyone would break free from some sort of mind trap.  I decided to get a recorder and go again with the purple while recording my speech.  This is the one where I knew at the end that Lady Salvia's husband was impotent in some way, and because of benevolence and sympathy for all the lonely people she wants to convince everyone she can that they need to make families if they want to avoid her suffering.  During this trip I actually BECAME a songbird, and singing was ABSOLUTELY FORCED, I couldn't not sit there singing. **Edit** mp3 removed because I later learned that much of what was experienced here was a deception, and a lot of the content of my other posts could also be inaccurate (As universal truth, not that it's inaccurate vis-a-vis what I experienced.  In other words, I was lied to to a certain extent.) **

[JD1stTimer]

Okay, wow.  I was at a friend's house and I smoke .1 gram of SalviaZone Blue.  I saw the thing that's indescribable, the name of which is unutterable.  The thing that is called by epithets.  I hear sirens and I almost think they are just because I'm typing this right now.  The reason people will want to lock you up or otherwise hurt you if you go out in the street and yell certain things at children.  I saw it, and I can't remember it, I only know that I might go back and unsee it if I had the chance.  It makes goatse.cx look completely reasonable.  You could cease to be if you were to interact with it too long.  It can not only kill you, but render your entire existance null and void if it wishes.  As of this moment I think I never want to do salvia that strong again as long as I live.  Apparently I was rolling around on the floor laughing so hard it made one of my friends drive 15 miles to someone else's house just to get away from me.  The closest thing I can think of to call it, even though it's not even close to what it is is a Flying Fuck.  All I can think of is that I just saw the Flying Fuck.  I think it may be enough just to touch the leaves from now on and know that something that powerful is in there. UNBELIEVABLE.  I don't think I'll be posting any more experience reports, there were a couple more but I don't know if I can bring myself to talk about it.  My hat's off to anyone else who may have seen it and is continuing to live a sane and decent life.  Whatever my friend saw made him give the rest of the powder to me, and I only reluctantly accepted it.  If I use it again it will be maybe .01 grams, or I might try it sublingually, but at the dosage I just tried it's only usefulness could be if you want to see the THING.  I am not joking, do not try to take this as far as you can go unless you really want to go there, think hard about it first.  I can't even imagine any mental preparations that can be useful in moderating your reactions at that level.  And the funny thing is, I can't even remember what it looked like, and I'm GLAD.  I want to continue growing this plant, but YOWZERS.

[DrYRHead]

Cool stuff. Some times it takes some people a while/a few tries to break through.

[JD1stTimer]

Update:  This morning every muscle and joint in my body is sore.  I slept great though, and with no back pain or heartburn, which I usually have.  My sternum feels bruised, it hurts when I touch my chest: side effect from extreme bouts of uncontrollable laughter?  Anyway, if that is what they call a breakthrough, I feel highly ambivalent about it.  I think it may dwarf everything else in life, but I guess now I'm gonna have to try and get sexual with a woman, which at 28 I never have before.    I almost think that will even be dwarfed by what I saw last night.  Has anyone else had the problem of regular life experiences not even living up to a salvia experience?  I feel a great need to go to church this morning, for the first time in a long time.

[JD1stTimer]

I'm back from church, and WOW, the back pain that I didn't suffer in bed last night came back to bite me at church!  It's never been a problem once I get out of bed and take a shower and stuff...  Church was good though, the sermon was over one of my favorite passages in the Book, the man in Galilee who had a host of spirits in him named Legion, and the pastor interpreted it in the same way I do.  I remembered why it was I felt an affinity for that church.  BTW, if anyone's interested, the website is www.crosstimberschurch.org and they have the sermons available online, good stuff.  I didn't mean to get churchy here, but one of the principles of my religion is to tell others about it if it did you any good, just let people know that it worked for you.  This will probably be the last update to my trip reports, but I will keep my grow log up to date.  Regardless of my decision to quit using salvia (at least in the higher doses, and I could go back at any time), I will continue updating my grow log.  This is a good plant folks, it doesn't want to hurt anyone.  Peace.

[Paradoxic]

Wow, definitely a breakthrough experience. An intense experience like that has a way of making you really appreciate your existence here on Earth. Theres so much we take for granted living so comfortably...we just sorta become zombies over time. I think experiences like this are good for us, we need something to break us out of this drone-state from time to time.

I dont think a normal life experience could ever live up to an intense Salvia experience, so I wouldn't feel as though your life has been boring or something. Interesting this has inspired you to find a sexual partner...so this is because during the experience you were literally told you should, or is it just more that the experience makes you wanna get out and experience something new.

I'd be really interested to hear more of your experiences. Personally, when I have a difficult experience with anything in life it really feels good to just talk about it with others, get another perspective on it. One of the negative effects associated with Salvia is the difficultly integrating your experiences...but you will do it one way or another and after its all over, I think it will be for the best.

[JD1stTimer]

Yeah, Paradoxic, you're right on the target.  And definitely every time I do Salvia I feel an intense drive to get on with the business of getting on with business if you know what I mean.  I feel like an animal in heat for about an hour afterwards, and I always wish I had a girlfriend with me that I could give the world's best screwing right then.  But something about not knowing what I actually did last night creeps me out.  My two best friends are married, and the husband told me that I didn't do anything bad at all, just that his wife is too weak-minded to be able to handle a mild disturbance, but if it bothered her enough that she felt she had to leave, then I definitely need to be cautious.  Since you want to know, Paradoxic, one experience turned me into a giant penis flying through space, then I went into a giant vagina, went all the way through it, popped out on the other side and my friends and family were throwing a party like a birthday party, and they were cheering for me, my mom was saying "I was really worried you were never going to get here, I thought our family line would end with you and your sister".  Then the next-to-last one before the on last night, I had  vision that we were created by a higher intlligence in the same exact manner that we can create a table or a refrigerator, and the only reason we were created is because God really really loves people, and He wants as many as we can produce for Him, and the Devil is trying to stop us from this mission, either by breaking us physically or emotionally any way he can, and if he's successful, then we are about as useful as burnt-out light bulbs or something.  The only way to salvage ourselves would be to make the life of someone else's children more successful in some way.  Oh, and whatever you do to bring forth your offspring, you lose points if you or your children end up making a hardship for anyone else, so you have to do it in a conscientious, unselfish way.  Well, I guess I did throw in those other reports, so I guess unless I have a desire to go through the rabbit hole again I won't be bringing any more reports.  All I can say is, it will BLOW YOUR MIND on the most fundamental level.  BTW, my religious upbringing has always led me with the impression that the number one marker of Jesus' divinity was His abstinence from sex, and that is the main way we can judge our own value in God's eyes.  In case anyone was wondering where the bit about "not what they teach in Sunday School" came from.  Now I know that I was living according to a completely fallacious doctrine.  And my family is not even Catholic!