"This stuff grows everywhere"

[jhazel]

Funny story...well at least I thought so. And if anyone would appreciate it, I figured it would be you all.

About two weeks ago (right around the time I ordered my salvia plant and was eagerly awaiting its arrival) I had a friend from out of town pay me a visit, and what better way to spend a night than to introduce him to salvia?  Before ordering, I had spent the last few weeks researching salvia like crazy, trying to build a decent knowledge base to begin cultivation.

So anyway, to the story. I took my buddy to the nearest DJs smoke shop to pick up some extract where we met a very eccentric manager. He must have told us that he was the manager about 10 times during the course of looking at the Salvia display case. He then told me that I needed to go home and do some "research" on the subject, because I quote "This stuff grows fucking everywhere." I laughed him off but he continued "You can find this stuff in your own backyard, you just have to know where to look. Go research it man". But he didnt stop there. "I traveled with the renaissance festival for 8 and a half years learning my art. The desert is the fucking garden of eden for this stuff man". Now, being a nice guy I didn't stop him and tell him that maybe hes the one that needs to do some research. I hardly think that the humid environment of Mexico equates to my  Arizona backyard.

Anyway, I found it amusing. And ill be sure to let you know if I stumble across any salvia in my backyard

[MstryShovel]

WELL SHE IS  a weed by nature and CAN grow anywhere, jsut has to get a little loving you know, heard stories of it growing anywhere from canada to california and all stops in between.
the only problem is that shes very sencitive, so you couldnt exactly take a plant living in mexican rainforest, and bring her to live outside in canada/desert but it is possible for her to survive

[jhazel]

But without human help I can hardly see her growing in Arizona

[Paradoxic]

Yeah there is no way Salvia divinorum could survive naturally in Arizona, especially in the desert. The climate here is too dry and where it isnt too dry, its too cold. He is probably thinking of all the other species of Salvia that do grow here. I have five different varieties growing in my yard, and they do grow like weeds. Sounds like a funny interaction 

[DrYRHead]

Yes, most likely some other species of Salvia. I live in New Mexico, and like Arizona, next door, it is too dry in the summer and too cold the rest of the year for SD to grow wild. However, several other species of Salvias will grow out-doors here. Common garden sage(Salvia officinalis) and Mealy cup sage(Salvia farenacea) will even grow back from the roots in the spring. The later of those is indigenous to New Mexico. This year I planted several sages in the garden, and I will have to wait to see which ones grow back next spring.

There is supposed to be some other Salvia around these parts that may have at least mild hallucinogenic effects. Salvia dorrii - Ute Tobacco Sage (mild hallucinogen when smoked) . Source wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_dorrii I've been doing an info and seed search about this one of late.


Salvia dorrii

[Paradoxic]

Salvia dorrii sounds quite interesting. Have you ever tried it yourself?

I wonder if it is actually effective in mitigating tumors. I wonder if anyone is doing any research with that.

[DrYRHead]

No, but I am looking for it. 

[Paradoxic]

I searched the Web of Science (a really good research database I use) for Salvia dorrii, but nothing about tumors. However, there does seem to be some research going on with it. Heres one paper I found:
"Salvidorol, a nor-abietane diterpene with a rare carbon skeleton and two abietane diterpene derivatives from Salvia dorrii"

The authors seem to be interested in it because other similar Salvias were reported to have "cytotoxic and antimicrobial properties." The paper is from 2006, so there is probably more research coming out soon.

[DrYRHead]

Ya, I seen that same reference too. I, also, found a nursery that may start to sell the plants again in the spring, and a on-line Native American shop in AZ that was selling S. dorrii herb for ceremonial purposes.

[DrYRHead]

Thus far, it is a pleasant smoke. The leaf had eluded a mild sedative buzz, and there was some degree of visual alterations. However, one may need ot take it up a notch, and make an extract of it. However, it may be a while before that is done.

[DrYRHead]

Ya, I seen that same reference too. I, also, found a nursery that may start to sell the plants again in the spring, and a on-line Native American shop in AZ that was selling S. dorrii herb for ceremonial purposes.

A source of Salvia dorrii here;

Winter Sun Trading Company
Est. 1976
107 N. San Francisco St.. Suite #1, Flagstaff AZ 86001
Phone: 928-774-2884  Fax: 928-774-0754

http://www.wintersun.com/QC/?p=productsList&iCategory=9&sName=Ceremonial-Herbs

Ceremonial Herbs
Beautiful smoke
Used as a tobacco in both Navajo and Hopi prayer smoke. Contains: Salvia dorrii