Science finds evidence for intelligent design :)

[Salvianaut]

I've been reading up on M-Theory a lot lately.  What it is, basically, is the successor to string theory, which had five different theories to explain different forces, along with ten dimensions.  M-Theory adds an extra dimension to string theory, one which unites the five different string variants into a single theory.  So basically the TOE or theory of everything.  The theory is not fully fleshed out, but once it is if it is proven true (some of its predictions have been verified already, enough to make it the next big thing in physics).  Already it has allowed us to postulate back to the time before the big bang and theorize the reason for its occurence, and the reason for the distribution of the galaxies, the weakness of gravity, and a plethora of the mysteries of physics solved by neither string theory or quantum mechanics.  Simply put, M-Theory postulates an eleventh dimension above our own three and the six more which are wrapped around the cosmological strings which make up our universe (the meta-verse is still within time, obviously and conveniently enough).  Our own universe is a membrane within that metaverse, which contains infinite other membrane universes all with variable conditions (different gravity and electromagnetism, universes of pure electricity, universes where atoms cannot hold together, and infinite universes just like our own.  Even the classic "parallell universe" cliches such as alternate versions of oneself - there are truly infinite universes out there).  These all bash and clash in the infinite eleventh dimension, some sheets like our own and some cylinders or donuts or spheres.  It's a reassuring theory because it means, if we can keep alive long enough to get our technology to the "godlike" status, we can probably find some way to hop to our neighboring universes to avoid the inevitable eventual destruction of our own. 

Anyway, it's a convoluted but ridiculously fun theory.  The M supposedly stands for master, but even some of its main proponents say it could just as well stand for mystery or magic   If it is true, it puts us in one hell of a weird universe, one which could very well suckle humanity for time immemorial, one with limitless opportunities.  Even, it seems, the ability to easily create our own custom-made universes   Read the article below, it is very interesting.  But to sum it up, we could currently theoretically create universes, right in the lab.  With modern technology, or things we could build with that tech.  It's pretty crazy, and the author (among with many other M-theorists) believe that it is very likely that our own universe was created in some foreign lab, as opposed to occuring through the collisions of membranes in the metaverse.  So perhaps God was some bored scientist in some donut shaped universe, making a big bang in a pitri dish   Sounds crazy, but according to M-theory it would not even destroy its creator; while the universe expands ridiculously fast it does so into itself, actually shrinking out of the existence of the universe where it was created. 

http://www.slate.com/id/2100715

[Paradoxic]

Kind of interesting, but at some level "science" like this seems closer to philosophy rather than actual science, ya know. There are not many lab experiments you can do to test this stuff.

You say this actually has evidence to back it up, I read through some of the stuff and couldn't find any physical evidence. They say a universe could be created by clashing two "branes," but where do you get that?

Also I don't see how this provides evidence for intelligent design...intelligent design basically says that some entity or god basically guides evolution because the development of human consciousness seems too complex for the principles outlined in Darwin's theory. If some other being clashed to branes together and created our universe that doesn't mean that they also assisted in human development. All they did was create the universe, evolution could still have done the rest.

[Salvianaut]

Lol.  Well, first I was being sarcastic with the intelligent design comment   No, there's no real evidence that we were created rather than random, but I thought it would be a funny outcome, if it turned out that there was intelligent design just not the kind people were talking about.  You notice the smiley in the subject, though.

As for this being philosophy, it's not really.  Some ppl say the same about string theory or quantum theory, and it used to be said about simple relativity.  All of these things, however, when you actually dive into them are simply mathematical equations based on observations.  Wikipedia has some decent basic information if you want to look it up, and they have links to more.  It's really very easy to find information on it.  But, there have been some limited predictions made and proven through it, and string theory which is its basis (and its proof, as it is derived from the five string theories, and the universe tends to conform beautifully to mathematics) has done more of the same.  It explains a great deal of things, and it works.  It might be disproven, but at this time it seems highly likely.  Almost certainly there will be some greater theory, some Uber theory, and then a Duber theory after that.  But this one appears to correctly describe the spectrum from the planck to the meta-verse.  After all, einstein didn't make newton's laws perform their work any more poorly, and the emergence of quantum theory and string theory didn't negate the plethora of benefits mankind reaped from einstein's work.  This is probably not the unifying theory of all of existence; it doesn't step outside time, and no doubt physics reaches beyond the domain of time.  Even the metaverse has to have come from somewhere, after all.  But, if M-Theory continues as it has so far, continues to be fleshed out and proven, then it will be the Next Big Step.  The next age of science.  It will, no doubt, lead to technologies and resources which we cannot imagine (though I cannot think of a better field for a cee-fractional reactionless drive or faster than light technology to come from)

[MstryShovel]

a friend of mine and I were on acid a while back, and playing with soap/pen ink bubbles and we were having great fun with the space between two touching bubbles. the place that turns them flat. now this might not seem strange, but try putting a bubble inside the two bubbles, originating from the flat wall.

recently, last night, he, I and another close friend all partook in some extract I had made, whilst He, the bubble one, was away in salvia space, he had conversations, repeated ones with other beings, VERY interesting, ill post a trip report with details, but through our research and mainly his diligence. found that when he was comming in and out of Sspace he was being folded from the outside in then back the other way, out. the moral of the story being in the middle of this all, he attempted to wedge a book in-between these folds as he was comming out.

moral of the story being, he hypothesized that this other place he went wasbasicaly another place, or time, or both, that was both completely the same, and generally diffferent, having different rules applied to it, mainly his being that gravity fell horrizontaly, a simmilar feeling ive had. but he reminded me that it seemed like our time playing with bubbles, but imagine 2 bubbles touching and connected, sharing the same side, but on all points, and those bubbles sharing all points with an infinite amount of other bubbles.

[Paradoxic]

Lol.  Well, first I was being sarcastic with the intelligent design comment   No, there's no real evidence that we were created rather than random, but I thought it would be a funny outcome, if it turned out that there was intelligent design just not the kind people were talking about.  You notice the smiley in the subject, though.

Oh, hahah.

Yeah I've read a bit on Wikipedia, its pretty exhausting stuff to read. But yeah I know they are based on some observations, but at this point its all still theoretical, but I guess you could say the same about all physical laws we have derived. Its definitely interesting, I just wonder what the implications will be. I mean what will be people do when we have a science equation to tell us how we were created?

[Darty]

But yeah I know they are based on some observations, but at this point its all still theoretical, but I guess you could say the same about all physical laws we have derived. Its definitely interesting, I just wonder what the implications will be. I mean what will be people do when we have a science equation to tell us how we were created?

Well, the word "theory" can have different meanings: (a) A consistent explanatory account of a given phenomenon, often grounded on general principles, used in science and elsewhere for prediction and explanation. Although theories are not proven, they are generally well founded and reliable.
or, (b) Fanciful speculation as in “this is one of my theories."
I think people would do their best not to believe the equation that explains their existence for quite some time. It would have to be accepted over time though if it really was all it's cracked up to be.

[DrYRHead]

Kind of interesting, but at some level "science" like this seems closer to philosophy rather than actual science, ya know. There are not many lab experiments you can do to test this stuff.

You say this actually has evidence to back it up, I read through some of the stuff and couldn't find any physical evidence. They say a universe could be created by clashing two "branes," but where do you get that?

Also I don't see how this provides evidence for intelligent design...intelligent design basically says that some entity or god basically guides evolution because the development of human consciousness seems too complex for the principles outlined in Darwin's theory. If some other being clashed to branes together and created our universe that doesn't mean that they also assisted in human development. All they did was create the universe, evolution could still have done the rest.

Yes, it is Theo-philosophy at that.