Canteberry?

[Teotzlcoatl]

Thanks Sea-Mac!

I'm going to email this asshole and tell him he's going DOWN!

You don't bullshit the ethno-community and have Teo let you get away with it!

[Teotzlcoatl]

I sent them an email!

the Canteberry hybrid you as selling is NOT Salvia divinorum!!!

http://www.salviasource.org/forum/salvia-in-general/canteberry/0/

Either offer some evidence of i plan to go to every single ethnobotanical site i can find and expose you as a fraud and tell people not only not to buy your bullshit "hybrid" but to boycott your entire store.

you have 3 days to give me some evidence before i expose all this ALL OVER THE WEB

-Teotzlcoatl

This was the response-

There is no better advertising than "word of mouth"
 
Thanks for your help www.SalviaSnips.com

I WANT EVERYBODY TO TELL THE COMMUNITY TO BOYCOTT THIS TERRIBLE VENDOR! POST ON ALL THE ENTHNOBOTANICAL FORUMS AND PLEASE, LET'S SEND SOME MORE EMAILS!!! HELP ME OUT!!!

[Teotzlcoatl]

I hate these greedy fuckers... I really do!

The guy said he is selling 100s!

[nitelife]

I hate these greedy fuckers... I really do!

The guy said he is selling 100s!

Now someone is probably going to die from trying to ingest that shit thinking it's salvia divinorum- and when the media gets hold of that- salvia divinorum is really going to have a bad rep! salviasnips sucks.

[stoney7713]

I agree it doesn't look like the  Salvia Divinorum we know.  I also agree till proof is given that it does contain Salvinorin I'll take it as a hoax. 

Just a few things

1.  If you look at thier website picture, of the plant, it does not look like what Rhino Jackson posted.   What peaches posted, the pictures of Salvia, looks similar to what Rhino posted. (which gives me the impression of a hoax)

2.  Anyone here a chemist, does anyone know anyone that can perform tests on say just a leaf?  If Rhino would be willing to clip one.

3. In mother nature a lot of unexplainable things can happen,  lets look at the scenario that it was crossed with something, possible something else then what was stated.  Look at the Luna strain how did it get roundish leafs. (more round then other strains)

4. Rather then just sling the "Liar" "Asshole" "Cheating M/F" etc etc prove the man wrong, with PROOF... testing the "supposed Sally D" is the only real way I know

By no means am I saying the man is telling the truth, I believe its a hoax, but how do you prove ghosts do/don't exist

We have the upper hand here, a supposed specimen in hand, that can be truly tested positive or negative for salvinorin

What the man said "word of mouth" can be a big bonus to his pocket book unless we can prove him wrong, people will buy it just to try it if we go blah blahing around the web....


So how about it Rhino spare a leaf or 2?

[Teotzlcoatl]

If you look at thier website picture, of the plant, it does not look like what Rhino Jackson posted.

Exactly.

Rather then just sling the "Liar" "Asshole" "Cheating M/F" etc etc prove the man wrong, with PROOF... testing the "supposed Sally D" is the only real way I know

He refuses to respond to email and will not offer any evidence what-so-ever. I also emailed him a few months ago (I send 5+ emails over a month) and only got one response saying "Ya it's real"... I asked for evidence but was ignored! Now he is ignoring me again!

FUCK THIS VENDOR!

What the man said "word of mouth" can be a big bonus to his pocket book unless we can prove him wrong, people will buy it just to try it if we go blah blahing around the web....

I disagree, show the pics and anybody with half a brain can tell that the plant pictured is NOT Salvia divinorum!

[nitelife]

I don't think just a leaf or 2 will be good. Rhino should let it grow a little, and get 5 grams of dry leaf of the cant. strain, and 5 grams dry leaf from a blosser or h&w, and do a 5x extract; and then test to see if salvinorin a is in the substance from the canteberry.

[Teotzlcoatl]

Vendor claims-

Canteberry was originally treated as a hoax, but proven by DNA testing in a English lab to be a unique strian of Salvia. Further testing confirmed the growers claims of higher salvinorin A content.

Growers of this Salvia strain are boasting a 12% to18% increase in Salvinorin A over other strains. It is becoming the gold standard for potentcy conscious Salvia Divinorum growers and extractors. Canteberry Salvia Divinorum seems to tolerate lower than usual humidity and temperatures, but does require additional light to sustain rapid growth.

 

Since it's supposed to be more potent than normal Salvia divinorum you should just be able to smoke a few dried leafs and get effects.

If you smoke 3 large dried leafs and it doesn't do anything, it's fake.


Guy this is bullshit.... if it wasn't the guy would have responded to my emails and actually offered some evidence.

This is a dirty, greedy hoax!

[Peaches]

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Now someone is probably going to die from trying to ingest that shit thinking it's salvia divinorum- and when the media gets hold of that- salvia divinorum is really going to have a bad rep! salviasnips sucks.
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 That is a salvia splenden it is not harmful to indgest and some sites are posting these kind of findings such as..........

 from: ishaman-australis.com

Salvia splendens may be a new psychotropic sage, such as salvia divinorum.

Here is what I have observed with 1 leaf of salvia splendens (in powder) sublingually (leaf material kept under the tongue for 20 minutes):

The first noticeable effect is felt as "heavy eyes". Your eyes seem heavy and, subjectively, globulous.

At the same time you feel a slowing of your thoughts, reminiscent of the effects of SSRIs.

Then you feel a nice feeling of tranquillty and anxiolysis which reminds very much the anxiolysis which can be elicited by MDMA.

This pleasant anxiolysis lasts for a few hours.

Salvia splendens is unknown as a psychotropic agent.


 Bad thing is you can buy salvia splendens in a 6 pack for about 2 dollars here in the US i do not know what the so called hybird cost bt anything over a buck is to much and that cutting looks like it came from a bloomed out splendens, i feel bad for ya but dna will run you some bucks and if i am not mistaken you will have to sue the vendor in his own County and State because you have the burden of proof and can not compell him to come to you for a lawsuit, now if you went threw all this and won, you will recoup courtcost,and get your money back but unless you are harmed in someway that will be the end of it and belive me they know this and that is why they are selling this , they really have nothing to loose and made some money to boot.

          IMO,  They don't give a F^^k and are laughing all the way to the bank.


 

[stoney7713]

Yeah but those people without a half a brain cell will buy, some will buy just out of curiosity.  Heard of  "There's no such thing as bad publicity" I mean yes some people will realize its not Sally D we all love and know.

My point is rather then let anyone spend anymore money to this guy lets gather our proof and prove to everyone else he's a fake.

Let me say this, Acorus calamus so many vendors out there sell this, and the seeds, but what most of them sell is Acorus americanus basically the same but a few things are different enough that it should be pointed out.  Which I won't get into at the moment.

I can't test this "Sally whatever the heck strain it is" nor do I know how, but one of our other members may....

Until someone does test this plant for genetics, active chemicals, or whatever, to prove this guy wrong, there's nothing we can do but rant.....

[stoney7713]

 That is a salvia splenden it is not harmful to indgest and some sites are posting these kind of findings such as..........

 from: ishaman-australis.com

Salvia splendens may be a new psychotropic sage, such as salvia divinorum.

Here is what I have observed with 1 leaf of salvia splendens (in powder) sublingually (leaf material kept under the tongue for 20 minutes):

The first noticeable effect is felt as "heavy eyes". Your eyes seem heavy and, subjectively, globulous.

At the same time you feel a slowing of your thoughts, reminiscent of the effects of SSRIs.

Then you feel a nice feeling of tranquillty and anxiolysis which reminds very much the anxiolysis which can be elicited by MDMA.

This pleasant anxiolysis lasts for a few hours.

Salvia splendens is unknown as a psychotropic agent.


 Bad thing is you can buy salvia splendens in a 6 pack for about 2 dollars here in the US i do not know what the so called hybird cost bt anything over a buck is to much and that cutting looks like it came from a bloomed out splendens, i feel bad for ya but dna will run you some bucks and if i am not mistaken you will have to sue the vendor in his own County and State because you have the burden of proof and can not compell him to come to you for a lawsuit, now if you went threw all this and won, you will recoup courtcost,and get your money back but unless you are harmed in someway that will be the end of it and belive me they know this and that is why they are selling this , they really have nothing to loose and made some money to boot.

          IMO,  They don't give a F^^k and are laughing all the way to the bank.


 

Yeah that's right, I've seen what your speaking of at Wal Mart sold as an ornamental plant.  That picture that was posted from Rhino looks like a very tall and stingy version of that, poor plant health maybe?  Still I'll stand by my last post, but you are most likely right in all aspects..... "They don't give a F^^k and are laughing all the way to the bank."

[Teotzlcoatl]

i do not know what the so called hybird cost bt anything over a buck is to much

Almost $40!

hey don't give a F^^k and are laughing all the way to the bank.

You said it!

[RhinoJackson]

Let's wait a bit before we make any more accusations.  The plant is only 15 cm tall.  It's still a small plant.  I bought all 3 strains he was selling and they all pretty much look the same this point in time.  I didn't have high expectations when I made the purchase, I just thought I'd take my chances and see what happens.  As you can see in the pic, the "Wasson/Hofmann" was damaged near the base so I took a razor to it.

Does divinorum ever get red/violet at the nodes and the base?

[Teotzlcoatl]

Does divinorum ever get red/violet at the nodes and the base?

NO!

NONE of those are Salvia divinorum!

WHAT IS THIS DUDE'S ADDRESS?! POST IT!

[Peaches]

Let's wait a bit before we make any more accusations.  The plant is only 15 cm tall.  It's still a small plant.  I bought all 3 strains he was selling and they all pretty much look the same this point in time.  I didn't have high expectations when I made the purchase, I just thought I'd take my chances and see what happens.  As you can see in the pic, the "Wasson/Hofmann" was damaged near the base so I took a razor to it.

Does divinorum ever get red/violet at the nodes and the base?

 I have had the stem turn dark like this on very young clones that have been exposed to extreem cold while developing new roots, but have never had the leafs stem turn this color.

 Here is a bout a 2cm blosser that that happen to .



 Here is a 15cm photo of a splendens i took this morning, she has bloomed out and is now putting out side shoots and they will bloom next time.



 Sorry but i just feel your plants are not salvia D ,If you have never had SD plants it can be confusing by just looking at photos,  I have raised splendens for years and feel this is what you have recieved, Also splendens do not get very tall , but Sally D can grow past the roof, look at seamac

 Do you have any other Sallies besides these you just recieved?