Comparison shopping

[JD1stTimer]

I noticed the partnership of thebestsalvia.com with salviasource.  The prices look incredible compared to what I have been paying for SalviaZone.  Has anyone tried both and can give a comparison of quality?  I will probably order some when I get my next paycheck anyway, I'm just wanting a sort of heads-up first.

[Arcygenical]

If you really like salvia, and can see yourself using it for awhile, it's always cheaper to make your own.

Pick up a pound of leaf for about 100$, and 20$ worth of acetone and you can make about 16g of strong 25x... For about 120-130$.

But to answer your question, I've heard nothing but good things about TBS.

[Paradoxic]

TheBestSalvia is a very good source, everyone I have heard whose bought from them has been satisfied. The reason they are so inexpensive is because they are a distributor that specializes in making Salvia extracts, so they have the economies of scale on their side. Apparently they even go as far as to test the potency of their extracts with HPLC to get a very precise measurement of the salvinorin A in their product. I doubt they test every batch but doing that at all is very responsible and honest.

[JD1stTimer]

Sweet.   I think I will try it.  At the rate I go, I think the 16gs would last me... well... too long, lol.

[obscured78]

quote from another forum and also i am having the same exact problem with thebestsalvia.com


"I have nowhere else to turn, so I am posting this here for further help. A week ago I had ordered Salvia 30X from the above website. My credit card went through, yet it says my order is still processing. This should not be since this particular company guarentees shippment within 1-2 days of purchase, and 2-3 days of arrival. So I try contacting them through their convienant email service, but the only response I receive is from MailerDEAMON. Turns out they are over their quota of inbox messages (gee I wonder why). So because I can't get any response out of them, other than my credit card bill, I am asking anyone for additional help. I have seen someone on here try to bash thebestsalvia.com before, and he recieved a response from them. If this doesn't work, I am reporting them as fraud. I don't have time for this crap.

P.S. Please refrain from telling me where and where not post my concerns, because this is a f%%%ing blog.

Thanks in advance!"

[Arcygenical]

Wherever you got that quote from, obscured, tell them to contact their CC company and issue a chargeback

[Sea Mac]

I buy my Extracts from Arena Ethnobotanicals and I buy the 10X. It's the Strongest 10X I've EVER tried: and the Least Expensive, too!

I'd be afraid to try the 35X ...

[JD1stTimer]

I wonder if that happened during a move from the midwest to California.  I heard that some orders got lost or something like that.  When I use TBS the shipping was incredibly fast, they even sent it out on a Saturday when I ordered it on Friday night.  I bet it was when they were moving, and they should have had the foresight to shut down their ordering process for a while until they got set up again.  Anyway, their extract was excellent quality, and I can only recommend them with the caveat of watching out for the four-minute-sale after you order.  It's not a savings over the current sale prices.

[obscured78]

here is the most recent quote of same guy:

"I thought I'd inform everyone the reason why thebestsalvia.com is taking so long with everyone's order. I do not work for them, but my order was finally shipped today with the following message:

Please forgive us..Usually our shipping is much faster..We have been overwhelm with orders, due to a recent radio commentary of our salvia, and website..and there was also an article in Europe about our salvia, which was very positive...This is the most orders we have ever had in one week... We have very high quality salvia, at the best prices on the internet.. You may track your order at </a>www.usps.com or call 1-800-222-1811. No mail service on Sundays, and Holidays.. We have also given you a small bonus with your order.. Heres your tracking information: Delivery Confirmation Receipt "


i just received similar email so hopefully i should have it in a few days

[JD1stTimer]

A radio commentary on their salvia?? That can't be good news....    The prices are great, I looked at arena botanicals and their prices are quite a bit higher than thebestsalvia but from SeaMac's report the quality is very good.  I am impressed with TBS products though.

[Sea Mac]

A radio commentary on their salvia?? That can't be good news....    The prices are great, I looked at arena botanicals and their prices are quite a bit higher than thebestsalvia but from SeaMac's report the quality is very good.  I am impressed with TBS products though.

I'm not the only hardhead to get knocked (unexpectedly) on his Ass by Arena Ethnobotanical's stuff. I posted a more complete review at Outward Journey as Divinorum Devotee.

http://www.outwardjourney.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2083 If you are a Member of that forum: that link will work ...

I'll repost my review here so You don't have to register to read it.

Originally Posted by Case
I have been in negotiations with a supplier for sometime now and we're making arrangements to do business together.

I have tried the products and I have had others try the products and all I can say is that this is by far the BEST product I have come across yet!

The prices of the products will go up because of the increase in quality and packaging, but TRUST ME the 10x is WAY more than you will EVER need!

THE DEFINING EXPERIENCE:

A dear friend of mine, male, 215lbs+ who usually smokes 2 puffs of 40x took a small pipe of 10x and a torch lighter and put this sample to the test.

1 puff of the 10x knocked him clean out! He literally passed out about 3 times in his 20minute journey. It took 3 people to hold him up and hold him down from walking around. His talking was literally nothing more than babble and baby jibberish. 10 minutes AFTER his journey was over, he relapsed and fell to the ground in the kitchen while trying to get a drink and his journey seemed to start again!! Shorter lived, but just as strong!

This stuff was POTENT!!!

I will let you know when the items are on order, and I will be redoing the store front when the products arrive! I am totally psyched about this new product! I must say, honestly, it totally blows the current products away!!

I have never seen such an effect like this before, trust me when I tell you, this is NOT to hype up the raised prices or new product, it's the truth! I've not lied to you before, and I fully believe in selling the best products I come across, and this surpasses my current product line!

YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED!

Because of the strength of this extract, there will be a new disclaimer to be updated as well before purchasing the products. This product originates from the UK. I must say, those folks know how to make a product! All herbal products I've gotten overseas is some POWERFUL stuff! It's almost hard to believe this was purely salvia because it was so strong!
I tested this brand for Case a couple of weeks ago: and I have NEVER had a Stronger or Smoother Salvia Extract!

Rest assured that Case isn't bull-shitting you about the profound strength of the 10X he will be stocking! This will be a level (or two) above whatever you are used to for the same price.

I vouch for the strength and cleanliness of this brand of Salvia extracts! None of you will be disappointed ...

Yes: I WAS Very Impressed!

I had trouble maintaining my public composure on one small to moderate hit of 10X.

(Later, in private, WITH No Sitter ... I took a large hit. About as much as that other 215 pound guy took. I used to smoke 2 hits of PSS 40X and still be able to talk, also. There was no one around to hold me down if I tried running. And I tried ... But: there was nowhere to run to {for the first time} - and - SHE Sat on me and held me down ... like a centrifuge would.)

This is the finest I've ever found: I'm pleased to be a 'hardheaded' part of Case's Salvia testers gang.

This is NOT the First time Case has asked for my honest appraisal of some Salvia extracts he was considering selling. (I remember being 'not happy' with one sample, also ... over a year ago).

He is Very conscientious about the quality of the products he purchases - prefers they be sustainably and respectfully harvested. And his tastes are simple: Nothing but the Best! I've been with this forum a long time and this is just my personal take on things. This isn't a paid endorsement here: in fact, I'm hoping I don't embarrass him with my frank appraisal ...

The 10X even Stunned ME: and I'm afraid to try the 35X from the same company! (I Know a nearly immune Salvia researcher whose Christmas present is gonna be a little early this year.)

A Gram of 10X will last me a LONG Time!  And I stocked up on this stuff and I-Am-Shaman's 20X already!

[JD1stTimer]

So how is it that the effects of this stuff are apparently so much longer-lived?  And are all the other companies simply lying about their potencies, or is Arena putting potencies higher than what's labeled in their packages?  I'm not trying to discredit anybody, I'm just curious about the discrepancies.  Perhaps Arena isn't "standardized", and there is actually more to the psychoactivity of sally than just salvinorin a so they have the full complement of other goodies that the standardized extracts don't?

[Arcygenical]

So how is it that the effects of this stuff are apparently so much longer-lived?  And are all the other companies simply lying about their potencies, or is Arena putting potencies higher than what's labeled in their packages?  I'm not trying to discredit anybody, I'm just curious about the discrepancies.  Perhaps Arena isn't "standardized", and there is actually more to the psychoactivity of sally than just salvinorin a so they have the full complement of other goodies that the standardized extracts don't?

I'm interested to know this as well. Perhaps I'll pick up a gram of their 20x and see what it's like?

[strgzr]

I can tell you where not to buy! PotentSalvia.com
They don't answer their emails and their phone is disconnected!
I placed an order nine days ago and they haven't charged my card Yet! So I am not sure whats going on. But I placed an order today for some leaf material from Bouncing Bear. I hope they do better!

[Sea Mac]

So how is it that the effects of this stuff are apparently so much longer-lived?  And are all the other companies simply lying about their potencies, or is Arena putting potencies higher than what's labeled in their packages?  I'm not trying to discredit anybody, I'm just curious about the discrepancies.  Perhaps Arena isn't "standardized", and there is actually more to the psychoactivity of sally than just salvinorin a so they have the full complement of other goodies that the standardized extracts don't?

I think you have most of the answer ...

They are not Standardized in the sense that they know exactly how many milligrams of Salvinorin A are in each batch of extract ...

"Salvia divinorum is harvested in the high mountains of Oaxaca by the native people (Mazatec Indians) then dried, cured & blessed. The Mazatec’s use it as part of spiritual ceremonies and traditional healing; it has become a powerful tool for soul searching and exploration of consciousness. Mazatec’s Golden is organically grown then hand picked by the Mazatec Indians, it is carefully placed in the shade to dry over a long period of time, this preserves and cures the leaves. Salvia 10X Organic Extract is 10 times the strength of Mazatec’s Golden (Salvia Leaf), on average it takes 10g of leaf to make 1g of 10X Extract. "

So theirs is standardized by weight and not in Mg/G as most vendors have done. They get bulk leaf from a wholesaler in Mexico and extract the Salvinorin A from 9/10th of the lot (for 10X) and spray it back on the remaining 1/10th of the batch. (At a different ratio for other potencies)

So they've got prime leaf: prayed over, and harvested, and dried in Mazatec land - and they don't bother to check and see how many milligrams per kilogram of Salvinorin A is in the leaf they start with. I suspect their leaf is at least 5 mg per KG: a little stronger than the rating of Salvia Supply of 3.5 and Purple Sticky of 4 respectively!

Of course, this means their product might also undergo seasonal fluctuations in potency. I have not had this brand as a favorite for a year yet so I'm not sure. I do know that what I smoked unexpectedly knocked my block off and I bought 3 more grams of 10X later that night. I haven't been sorry!