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Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on August 23, 2007, 01:47:20 pm Hello All!
As a member of Daniel Siebert's "Sagewise" group I sometimes get privy to 'inside information' that does not work it's way out to the Salvia Divinorum observer. Earlier this year when California was considering making Salvia divinorum a felony he wrote a letter to them (as did I). I later wrote him back and told him it was one of the most impressive and succinct documents I'd ever seen relating to the ongoing legal crisis of Salvia d. I Asked him (On behalf of our Admin, Paradoxic) what the names of the Doctors on the research team he referred to were, and If I could Quote parts of his letter (I hate Plagiarism). I suggested he change the words some and put it on his web site for EVERYBODY to USE ... He wrote me back: Quote ... I do intend to revise the letter that I wrote to the California Assembly members. The new version will be sent to the appropriate DEA official, once I find out who that is. I will also post it on my website. Feel free to quote anything you like from these documents. Regarding the University of Iowa researchers, I was referring to Dr. Thomas Prisinzano's group. The Original document I am Quoting from, with His permission, is at http://sagewisdom.org/lettertocsa.pdf Quote March 19, 2007 RE: Assembly Bill 259 URGENT (Committee on Public Safety hearing scheduled for March 27, 2007) Dear Honorable Assembly Member: This letter summarizes the important medicinal properties of Salvia divinorum and its primary active constituent salvinorin A. It also puts forth several objections to Assembly Bill 259, which inappropriately seeks to make this medicinal herb a Schedule I controlled substance. As a pharmacognosist who has devoted the last 15 years to the scientific study of this herb, I believe that I am particularly qualified to speak on this issue. I was the first person to investigate the human pharmacology of salvinorin A and to clearly identify this compound as the psychoactive principle of Salvia divinorum. My findings have been published in several peer-reviewed scientific journals. These include a paper that was published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), in which my research group identified the neurological mechanism of salvinorin A’s action. That finding is of particular significance because it provides solid evidence for the medicinal value of this compound. I am currently working in collaboration with several other scientists to further investigate the medicinal potential of salvinorin A and closely related compounds. My collaborators include Dr. Bryan Roth (Project Director of the National Institute for Mental Health Psychoactive Drug Screening Program), Dr. Thomas Munro (pharmaceutical chemist at McLean Hospital Psychiatric Research Center, MA), Dr Lee-Yuan Liu-Chen (professor of pharmacology at Temple University School of Medicine), and Dr. Jordan Zjawiony (Pharmacognosy and Research Professor in the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, University of Mississippi). In addition to these endeavors, I am presently completing work on a comprehensive academically oriented book about Salvia divinorum. Medicinal properties There are approximately one thousand species of Salvia worldwide. Salvia divinorum is just one of the many species that are recognized for their useful medicinal properties. The common name for salvia is sage. Most people are familiar with the common culinary sage, Salvia officinalis, which in addition to its usefulness as a flavoring agent, is also used for its medicinal properties. The genus name Salvia is derived from the Latin salvare, meaning “to heal” or “to save.” The words salvation and savior also come from this same root. Salvia divinorum is endemic to the Mazatec region of central Mexico, where it has a long history of medicinal use. The Mazatec people use this herb for its psychoactive properties and as an effective treatment for arthritis, headache, and eliminatory complaints. The validity of each of these different applications is well supported by recent pharmacological findings. Salvinorin A is a uniquely potent and highly selective kappa-opioid receptor agonist, and as such, it has tremendous potential for the development of a wide variety of valuable medications. The most promising of these include safe non-addictive analgesics, antidepressants, short-acting anesthetics that do not depress respiration, and drugs to treat disorders characterized by alterations in perception, including schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s disease, and bipolar disorder. Kappa-opioid receptor agonists are of particular interest to pharmacologists because they provide effective pain medications that are not habit forming and do not produce dependence. In fact, there is a growing body of evidence that indicates that kappa-opioid agonists are actually “aversive”—the opposite of addictive. This is an important advantage over most powerful analgesics currently prescribed. The effectiveness of salvinorin A as an analgesic has been repeatedly demonstrated in animal studies. In my book I include many case reports in which people testify to the effectiveness of this herb for managing pain. The traditional Mazatec use of Salvia divinorum to treat headaches and arthritis also attests to its effectiveness as an analgesic. The ability of salvinorin A to block perception of pain also suggests that it may prove useful as a short-acting general anesthetic. The fact that it does not depress respiration is particularly interesting because it indicates that salvinorin A could be much safer than most general anesthetics currently in use. Several years ago Dr. Karl Hanes published a case report in the Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, in which he described a patient that obtained relief from chronic depression by using Salvia divinorum. Subsequently he published a paper in the journal MAPS, reporting that he obtained similarly positive results when he prescribed the herb to other patients who suffered from clinical depression. In my book I describe dozens of additional accounts of people who have recovered from serious depression with the help of this herb. It is especially interesting that these people were able to obtain persistent relief from their depression after only a few treatments. Quite unlike the continuous medication regime required with conventional antidepressants such as Prozac, which in most cases only offer symptomatic relief from depression, Salvia divinorum often produces long-lasting clinical improvement. Because salvinorin A alters various perceptual modalities by acting on kappa-opioid receptors, it is clear that these receptors play a prominent role in the modulation of human perception. This suggests the possibility that novel psychotherapeutic compounds derived from salvinorin A could be useful for treating diseases manifested by perceptual distortions (e.g., schizophrenia, dementia, and bipolar disorder). This is a promising area of research that is important to pursue further. Salvia divinorum has several properties that make it useful in psychotherapy: It produces a state of profound self-reflection, it improves one’s ability to retrieve childhood memories, and it provides access to areas of the psyche that are ordinarily difficult to reach. I have spoken with several psychotherapists who have used this herb in their practice. They are impressed with its effectiveness as a psychotherapeutic tool. This type of application is not new—the Mazatecs have long used Salvia divinorum to treat psychological complaints. Salvinorin A is also an important neurochemical probe for studying the dynorphin/kappa-opioid- receptor system. As such, it is useful for research into the neurological mechanisms of perception and awareness. Salvinorin A is remarkable in that it belongs to an entirely different chemical class than any previously identified opioid receptor ligand (it is a diterpenoid). This fact is of great interest to pharmacologists because it opens up a vast new area for future drug development. No potential for long-term abuse There are many popular misconceptions about Salvia divinorum. Presumably, Assembly Bill 259 is based on some these. Many of these misconceptions have their origin in sensationalistic stories presented by misinformed journalists, and others derive from the absurd advertising claims of unethical herb vendors who market this herb as a “legal high” and deliberately exaggerate its effects to increase sales. The fact is that the effects of Salvia divinorum are not appealing to recreational drug users. The majority of people who try it find that they do not enjoy its effects and do not continue using it. It does produce an altered state of awareness, but does not produce a “high” (i.e., it is not euphoric or stimulating). Salvia divinorum produces a state of increased self-awareness. For this reason, some people use it as an aid to meditation, contemplation, and spiritual reflection. There are people who are intrigued by salvia’s effects, but even these people use it infrequently. Because it increases self-awareness, it is useless as an escapist drug. When used in a careless manner, it tends to produce unpleasant experiences, and that of course discourages further use (i.e., abuse is self-limiting). Salvia divinorum is not addictive or habit forming. This has been demonstrated in several animal studies. Its mechanism of action indicates that it may actually be anti-addictive. Many people have reported that Salvia divinorum actually helped them to overcome previous substance abuse problems. With funding from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), researchers at the University of Iowa are now studying salvinorin A and attempting to develop derivatives that could be useful for treating methamphetamine and cocaine dependence. Safety Salvia divinorum is non-toxic. Toxicological studies have been performed by Dr. Leander Valdés at the University of Michigan, Jeremy Stewart at the University of Mississippi, Dr. Frank Jaksch of Chromadex Inc., and Dr. Wayne Briner at the University of Nebraska. Neither Salvia divinorum nor salvinorin A showed toxicity in any of these studies. There is a vast body of empirical evidence that indicates Salvia divinorum is a remarkably safe herb. Indeed, the Mazatecs, who have probably used S. divinorum for hundreds of years, do not attribute any toxic properties to this plant. Conclusions Salvia divinorum is an important medicinal herb that has no potential for long-term abuse. It does not present a significant risk to public health or safety. Obviously, there is a problem with young people using this herb (especially when they use it carelessly). There is a sensible way to deal with that problem: regulation that prohibits sale or delivery to minors. This is a useful medicinal herb that enriches the lives of many responsible adults. Since it is by all accounts a remarkably safe herb (when used responsibly), it would be overly restrictive to make it illegal for all citizens. Placing it in Schedule I would deprive people of a safe and useful medicinal herb, and it would seriously hamper promising medical research. Because of its complex stereochemistry, salvinorin A is virtually impossible to produce synthetically. It is important that its source plant, Salvia divinorum, remain available so that researchers can continue to study this important compound. Evidently, this bill is based on inaccurate information about Salvia divinorum. Schedule I is intended for substances that have a high potential for abuse, a lack of accepted safety, and no currently accepted medical use. Salvia divinorum does not meet any of these criteria. I appreciate your taking the time to read this letter and acquaint yourself with the facts about Salvia divinorum. Please feel free to contact me if I can provide you with any additional information. Sincerely, Daniel J. Siebert I think you will agree with me that it is one of the MOST Important Documents ever written about SD: and it IS from the Worlds Top Researcher of this marvelous Plant besides! I'm blown away by it's very readable and truthful Impact in 3 brief pages! THANK YOU Daniel! You Are the Greatest! Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Dominaduro on August 23, 2007, 10:51:19 pm Yeah I remember reading this letter and being blown away by it. After reading it I wasn't as concerned with CA (I sadly couldn't make the drive that day). I expect his letter to the DEA to be even more powerful; however, hopefully he won't even need to send it when they get the same results he concluded :)
Dominaduro Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on August 23, 2007, 11:47:06 pm Yeah thats an excellent letter, I used the same one as a template on the Salvia Legal Status article. I hope the DEA actually takes it into consideration.
Title: Are you both "Sagewise" members also? Post by: Sea Mac on August 23, 2007, 11:55:34 pm Quote from: "Dominaduro" Yeah I remember reading this letter and being blown away by it. After reading it I wasn't as concerned with CA (I sadly couldn't make the drive that day). I expect his letter to the DEA to be even more powerful; however, hopefully he won't even need to send it when they get the same results he concluded :) Dominaduro Are both of you "Sagewise" members also? As far as I know he never made that letter, or the link to it, public .... when did you 2 Salvia Source members first read this letter? Could you point me to where else on the net the link to that letter is (besides here)? As far as I know it is a Salvia Source EXCLUSIVE! But one of you read it before - and the other used it as a template ... well, I feel just silly about announcing it publicly 'for the first time' now ... There is a team of Doctors at the University of Iowa, under Dr. Thomas Prisinzano, with funding from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), that are now studying salvinorin A and attempting to develop derivatives that could be useful for treating methamphetamine and cocaine dependence. If we all knew about this: then why aren't we screaming this from the rooftops? This is IMPORTANT! "The war on drugs can be won with the help of SALVIA DIVINORUM - If you legislators aren't stupid enough to ban it based solely on what the TV set SAYS first!!!" Retards! Shoot themselves in the FOOT! Illinois just banned it because they claimed it's addictive! Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Dominaduro on August 24, 2007, 01:13:33 am I posted the link to it back a while ago on the drugs forum on 4/28/07. But it was edited out because it as a link to a commercial website and I remember talking tot he mod, I think the it was from sagewisdom, There was a link to it.
Also, Sphere (the awesome extractor) I think has it on his site, don't know when he first got it though. But I remember reading it (or a shorter version of it, but i think it's the whole thing) back when it was gonna be banned in california. That's good news about the research, I hope it breaks through. Dominaduro Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on August 24, 2007, 10:45:29 pm Thats so awesome they are doing that research, there seems to be a lot more being done now.
Btw, I am starting my research with Salvia this monday. I got a position at the brand new BIO5 lab at the University of Arizona. I will be investigating the chemical pathways that are used by the plant to synthesize Salvinorin-A. If that goes through well over the year I will likely expand my research further. One idea is to look more deeply at other potentially psychoactive chemicals such as Salvinorin-B as very little is known about these. Its really exciting, we are going to collaborate and exchange ideas with another university in Mississippi that is also researching Salvia. I will soon post pictures (hopefully) of my lab and keep you guys updated. Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2007, 07:47:39 am A Guest posted spam-porn here. When did you allow guests to post?
I edited this post: Sea Mac Title: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on August 31, 2007, 12:48:34 pm Quote from: "Paradoxic" Thats so awesome they are doing that research, there seems to be a lot more being done now. Btw, I am starting my research with Salvia this monday. I got a position at the brand new BIO5 lab at the University of Arizona. I will be investigating the chemical pathways that are used by the plant to synthesize Salvinorin-A. If that goes through well over the year I will likely expand my research further. One idea is to look more deeply at other potentially psychoactive chemicals such as Salvinorin-B as very little is known about these. Its really exciting, we are going to collaborate and exchange ideas with another university in Mississippi that is also researching Salvia. I will soon post pictures (hopefully) of my lab and keep you guys updated. Congratulations in regards to the research project Paradoxic. :) Title: Re: Are you both "Sagewise" members also? Post by: DrYRHead on August 31, 2007, 12:53:16 pm Quote from: "Sea Mac" Quote from: "Dominaduro" Yeah I remember reading this letter and being blown away by it. After reading it I wasn't as concerned with CA (I sadly couldn't make the drive that day). I expect his letter to the DEA to be even more powerful; however, hopefully he won't even need to send it when they get the same results he concluded :) Dominaduro Are both of you "Sagewise" members also? As far as I know he never made that letter, or the link to it, public .... when did you 2 Salvia Source members first read this letter? Could you point me to where else on the net the link to that letter is (besides here)? As far as I know it is a Salvia Source EXCLUSIVE! But one of you read it before - and the other used it as a template ... well, I feel just silly about announcing it publicly 'for the first time' now ... There is a team of Doctors at the University of Iowa, under Dr. Thomas Prisinzano, with funding from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), that are now studying salvinorin A and attempting to develop derivatives that could be useful for treating methamphetamine and cocaine dependence. If we all knew about this: then why aren't we screaming this from the rooftops? This is IMPORTANT! "The war on drugs can be won with the help of SALVIA DIVINORUM - If you legislators aren't stupid enough to ban it based solely on what the TV set SAYS first!!!" Retards! Shoot themselves in the FOOT! Illinois just banned it because they claimed it's addictive! We've been saying that Salvnorin A is an anti-addictive all along. The media, however, mostly ignores this fact. The Media is so ultra-Conservative these days. :( Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Salvianaut on October 09, 2007, 03:28:02 pm I coulda sworn I already posted something here. Musta been edited. Oh well, I never learn :D
The media is not ultra-conservative. Come on man, are you serious? Every station but Fox is Liberal, or at least as far as Liberalism goes today. By that I mean they are aligned with the Democrats (who aren't really truly liberal except on a few stupid points, but they claim to be). Fox is openly Conservative on the other hand, though at least they do give some voice to liberals on their programs to make it seem more balanced. Most of the other stations will have a "debate" with four different democrats who are just trying to decide how much they really hate the president. It's pretty humorous, actually, if you can swallow your bile. There is no more liberalism. Not on the things that matter. Oh sure, there's people out there fighting for gay rights and trying to pass more anti-white laws and all that crap, but there is no real organized front fighting for the issues that matter. Noone is truly interested in protecting our personal freedoms any more - definately giving them back to us would be Liberalism, because they've been gone for decades. The fact that some callous politician (and don't try to dump it on the conservatives; I believe that it was a democrat who tried to get the Senate to schedule Salvia originally, and I know they're no more friends to drugs than any politician today) will casually talk about and then carry through telling an American citizen what they can and cannot do with their own body, not only that but will restrict drugs PROVEN to be harmless (gotta love what the AMA is saying about cannabis these days) is just one sickening example of that. Noone fights for what matters any more, or at least those few who do stand alone. Our system, I fear, is becoming choked with beuracracy. We have a bunch of idiots who are afraid of technology and drugs and anything else that they cannot understand leading our country, with only a few good ones here and there to keep the whole thing together. It's a sad situation. 'Course, that's how the whole world has gone today. Oh well. Once they overstep their bounds too far, we'll grab our guns and march on Washington, and the system will be purged once more of its detritus. Such is the never ending cycle of democracy :D Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on October 10, 2007, 12:07:24 am I think when it comes to drugs, in general the news is conservative on these particular issues (for now). Although it also may just be the nature of news that attracts viewers. I mean I think Salvia is demonized for the same reason we see some much coverage on crazy lunatic killers and insane diseases while the 'positive' stories get a little snippet here and there. In the case of Salvia its more intriguing for typical viewers if they talk about some kid who killed himself instead of the potential medicinal benefits of the herb...because those positives are so boring, right? ::) However, I do believe that things are turning around in regard to drugs, its a slow but sure progression.
Right now I don't think that the news is overwhelmingly conservative overall, but also not overwhelmingly liberal either. These days theres so many sources to get news with such a variety of opinions that it's unfair generalize. Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on October 10, 2007, 02:44:15 am If you study the history of drug laws it seems media sensationalizing has played a role many times over. For example, opiates, cocaine and MJ all had the media demonize them before laws were passed against them.
Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on October 10, 2007, 10:50:03 am I think when it comes to drugs, in general the news is conservative on these particular issues (for now). Although it also may just be the nature of news that attracts viewers. I mean I think Salvia is demonized for the same reason we see some much coverage on crazy lunatic killers and insane diseases while the 'positive' stories get a little snippet here and there. In the case of Salvia its more intriguing for typical viewers if they talk about some kid who killed himself instead of the potential medicinal benefits of the herb...because those positives are so boring, right? ::) However, I do believe that things are turning around in regard to drugs, its a slow but sure progression. Right now I don't think that the news is overwhelmingly conservative overall, but also not overwhelmingly liberal either. These days theres so many sources to get news with such a variety of opinions that it's unfair generalize. Too true! Media isn't in it for the truth. Media is in it to sell papers (etc.) and Sensationalizing headlines (Lies) Like "Legal LSD invades our School Yards" sell a lot more papers than Facts like "New Medicinal herb found: cure for Addiction!" do. (I can Just hear some newsroom editor saying "We can make it a more interesting story than that" ... ) Expect the irresponsible newsmongers to sacrifice truth in reporting for ratings every time. This is why it is so important that Mr. Siebert's sane words be heard by all: Ratings be DAMNED! Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Salvianaut on October 10, 2007, 12:29:30 pm The sad thing is that you probably COULD spin the anti-addiction story so that it gained just as much attention. People are so used to having the news tell them what to believe that if the stations TRIED to make the positive angle seem important then they probably could sell it.
But yeah, they like to slander drugs. Doesn't make them overall conservative. The news WAS once very conservative but, then, it used to be more or less a government organization and it was used as a forum for spin doctoring. Now, though, they are motivated by nothing but greed, except of course for the occasional oddball you find in any organization. Scare sells. It's a fucked up situation, but what can you do? At least we know that they cannot really do any more than put up some bs laws to stop its use. They can't even begin to slow MJ use, and that is difficult to grow, requiring high energy lights which give off all kinds of indicators to tell the cops what you're doing. If they can't stop that, how are they going to stop the growth and use of a plant which looks perfectly normal in any decorative bouquet and will grow right in your living room, with very little artificial interference? I think that, if anything, the difficulty of stopping SD's use will keep any nationwide laws from being passed. After all, the DEA knows that criminalizing it will skyrocket SD's use, giving it street legitimacy as a "hard" drug. They would be going into any act of criminalization knowing that there would be a giant leap in use with absolutely no way for them to interdict it. It's a pointless effort for them, and you can damn well trust the media to slander the DEA just like they do SD when their impotence in the matter becomes too obvious to ignore. If anyone ever actually sits down and discusses the ramifications of such a criminalization, I think it will fall by the wayside. Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on October 12, 2007, 06:33:17 pm Yeah, but even with all the shitty, for-profit news, I think theres also a lot that actually tries to accurately report events and issues. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of the main-stream news falls short of this. But this is why I am greatful for the Internet. I mean do a search for 'Salvia divinorum' and the first three links are: Wikipedia, SageWisdom, and Erowid. Three of the most reliable and positive sources for Salvia info. And these days its a common practice to do some internet research when they hear of something intriguing such as Salvia, one news article just isn't enough. So I honestly think we are approaching a turning point with psychoactives. This "counter-movement" we see with Salvia could never have happened with drugs like LSD and cocaine, they were unleashed at times when too much of society was ignorant and scared, and ultimately people were unable to really change that because the info just wasn't really available.
Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on October 12, 2007, 09:43:15 pm Yeah, you're right ...
But I can't think of a Single news story that mentioned the possible medications that we will get from this Sacred plant. A friend of mine just had a "First Experience" with salvia - and they have had a good night's sleep 2 nights running: with dreams and without the Sleeping medication! Salvia is VERY Good at "Curing" insomnia, as my friend has just learned ... And this person hasn't had a drug free decent night's rest in years (I think). Just a couple of puffs of plain old leaf I grew in my garden: two nights good sleep running (and counting) - PRICELESS! My heart aches when I think of how many people would kill for a good night's sleep (other than falling asleep at the wheel) and they may never hear the name of an All-Natural remedy - other than as a passing mention something as 'another dangerous hallucinogen was made illegal, for the public good, today ...' Tired Lawmakers fail to use good judgment and make laws based solely upon the made up stories they see on TV. TV sound bites appear to be as much research as SOME lawmakers are capable of ... Now, now Carl: calm down - remember your blood pressure ... Chant your Mantra you use when dealing with these #%$@*&g idiots .... {deep breath} "Never attribute to Malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D rofl Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on October 16, 2007, 08:29:23 pm Heheh, yeah very true. But I have heard of many news stories that do mention that it may have medical potential. However, they never specify as to what it might help with. The reason for this is probably because there hasn't yet been a formal study to prove that its actually effective, all we have so far is anecdotal evidence. I'm thinking the clinical trials will probably start soon because the pharm companies have already patented many analogs of salvinorin A.
Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on December 18, 2007, 02:11:26 pm Here we go again ....
"Mr. Greenleaves" sent me a heads up this morning ... Thanx buddy! Quote AB 259 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_259&sess=CUR&house=B&search_type=email STATUS http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_0251-0300/ab_259_bill_20071217_status.html CURRENT BILL STATUS MEASURE : A.B. No. 259 AUTHOR(S) : Adams. TOPIC : Controlled substances: Schedule I. HOUSE LOCATION : ASM +LAST AMENDED DATE : 03/12/2007 TYPE OF BILL : Active Non-Urgency Non-Appropriations Majority Vote Required State-Mandated Local Program Fiscal Non-Tax Levy LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 03/27/2007 LAST HIST. ACTION : In committee: Set first hearing. Failed passage. Reconsideration granted. COMM. LOCATION : ASM PUBLIC SAFETY HEARING DATE : 01/15/2008 TITLE : An act to amend Section 11054 of the Health and Safety Code, relating to controlled substances. Misguided California Legislators are again trying to make Salvia divinorum use a Felony! I'll post Names and addresses and email contact addresses in a bit ... Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on December 19, 2007, 04:26:02 am Who is this Adams pig that wrote the bill? >:(
Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: guitarplayer on December 19, 2007, 05:22:23 pm Did a little searching and found Anthony Adams. Seems like he fits the description perfectly of someone who has head the basic effects of Salvia, and that it is legal, and decided to take it upon himself to make it illegal. Here's an editorial he put up on his website:
Quote http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/members/a59/index.aspx?page=OPED&oped=1778 California Must Outlaw Salvia To Protect Our Kids Drug abuse is a growing problem throughout California. It’s a silent tragedy that often tears families apart, threatens safety in our neighborhoods and exposes our kids to some serious health problems before they even have a chance to succeed in life. Parents, teachers and local law enforcement are working together not only to shut down production of dangerous drugs and punish the drug pushers who are trying to hurt our children, but more importantly, to keep these harmful drugs out of our schools and away from our kids in the first place. Recently, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department shared with me a disturbing trend among young people in our local schools. More and more high school students in our area and in suburbs across the nation are abusing the dangerous drug Salvia or Salvia Divinorum, a drug that is rising in popularity amongst high school and college students for its highly-potent hallucinogenic effects. Salvia is a naturally grown, mint-like leaf which many users have equated to that experienced when using the mind-altering drug LSD. Individuals who have felt a Salvia high say that they thought they were having an out-of-body experience when abusing the drug. Other side effects include uncontrollable laughter, appearing to travel to other times and other places, a feeling of total confusion or near-madness and a sense that you are flying or floating. Like me, you may be surprised to learn that Salvia is completely legal in California and many other states. I believe we should listen to the concerns of parents and law enforcement, and not sit idly by while a dangerous and powerful drug is being sold and distributed freely and legally in our communities. Working closely with the San Bernardino County Sheriff, I have introduced legislation, Assembly Bill 259, to outlaw Salvia in California, adding the drug to the list of narcotics that are illegal in this state. Under my proposal, those who are found growing, selling or possessing Salvia would be guilty of a misdemeanor or a felony, depending upon the severity of the case, and subject to time in county jail or state prison for their offense. Keeping our communities safe from the scourge of drugs and violent crime should not be a partisan issue. In recent years, our local Democrat Congressman Joe Baca has been fighting hard in Washington to ban Salvia nationwide, and I’m pleased to carry the bipartisan torch to outlaw Salvia at the state level in Sacramento. Unfortunately, Democrats on the Assembly Public Safety Committee have a different agenda, and refused to support my legislation when it came up for its first hearing. There shouldn’t be a partisan debate when it comes to protecting our families from dangerous drugs. As Californians, we must stand united against drug abuse by making Salvia illegal. I look forward to continuing to work with my colleagues in a bipartisan manner to address this growing problem to protect our families, our kids and our communities. Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on December 21, 2007, 07:07:03 pm Here we go again. Sea Mac are you going to be attending the hearing? We should try to round up a few California residents that would be willing to go in defense of Salvia. Just as in Maine people should suggest an ban for minors only. I think theres a really good chance in stopping the ban if just a couple people go to oppose it.
You should start a topic with a map and all the information needed to attend. I can help by posting the message on other forums as well. Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on December 22, 2007, 11:37:45 pm It sounds like another Republican drug warrior that thinks that Hallucinogens are narcotics. Does he know that vendors DO NOT sell SD to minors, but that street level drug pushers WOULD? ::)
Why does he not go after alcohol, for that is one DRUG that is actually killing kids. Of course, he probably drinks, and may have stock in that industry. Thus, he would most likely protect alcohol. :-\ Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on May 10, 2008, 04:03:41 pm It's well past time I updated this topic: because it has a happy ending now.
When I last posted: AB259 was still going to make salvia possession a felony in California and the hearing was going to be on January 15, 2008. I sent a formal letter of opposition, on nice parchment paper, by certified mail, to the California assembly (the public safety committee) explaining why salvia should not be scheduled as a felony. Here is that letter: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/ab259o.html . I was listed as one of the seven private citizens in opposition to the bill. And then something wonderful happened: Assemblyman Adams read the letters of opposition to his bill - and did the research. He changed the wording of the bill so it would no longer be a felony for Californians to grow or possess: it will be a misdemeanor to provide salvia to a minor if AB259 makes it into law (as section 379 of the California Penal Code). Since California is now considering a simple (reasonable) prohibition on selling to minors: I am no longer opposed California's proposed ban on Salvia. It has passed the Assembly and is now in the Senate: in the final committee. We hope soon the governor will sign section 379 of the California Penal Code into law. Let this be a lesson: citizen advocacy can make all the difference! And feel free to use all parts of that letter you need! Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Paradoxic on May 10, 2008, 05:15:43 pm AWESOME! See this is all it takes people.
How did you find out you were one of the seven sending letters opposing a ban? Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: Sea Mac on May 10, 2008, 06:49:28 pm On the bottom of this page:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_0251-0300/ab_259_cfa_20080114_101818_asm_comm.html It merely states: Quote REGISTERED SUPPORT / OPPOSITION : Support San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department (Sponsor) California Peace Officers' Association California Police Chiefs Association California State Sheriffs' Association Peace Officer Research Association of California Sacramento County Sheriff's Department Wonderland Treatment Center Opposition California Attorneys for Criminal Justice Drug Policy Alliance Network Seven private individuals Analysis Prepared by : Gregory Pagan / PUB. S. It didn't list individuals names BUT I spent nearly $40 buying parchment grade paper and envelopes and on sending 7 certified letters to all the committee members. All I have is the Certified Mail receipts ... It was worth it! Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on May 10, 2008, 08:24:36 pm Good work, SeaMac. Most of the ones that want to Ban it are cops. ::) I don't think that most of them even really know what SD is. :-\
Title: Re: A Letter to California Legislators from Daniel Siebert Post by: DrYRHead on May 10, 2008, 08:39:37 pm Yes, now of days we can at least get wind of legislation being planned against SD ahead of time. Back when laws were past against MJ, the law makers pretty much had their own little secret society. When Physicians heard that the politicians had made a commonly prescribed drug like Cannabis illegal in 1937, they were shocked. They did not even have any time to protest the laws. :-\ |